Praying to St. Michael

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A person I know who is a parishioner at a local church has suggested adding a prayer to St. Michael after every Mass, seeking his assistance in overturning the HHS mandate. I am what can only honestly be described an ex-Catholic, though I remain fascinated by Catholic thought and culture, and largely respectful of the Church’s aims. My question here is a simple one: What is gained by praying to St. Michael over praying directly to God himself?
 
A person I know who is a parishioner at a local church has suggested adding a prayer to St. Michael after every Mass, seeking his assistance in overturning the HHS mandate. I am what can only honestly be described an ex-Catholic, though I remain fascinated by Catholic thought and culture, and largely respectful of the Church’s aims. My question here is a simple one: What is gained by praying to St. Michael over praying directly to God himself?
Praying to St. Michael over praying to God would be a bit silly. It’s more of an alongside sort of thing.

The reason we ask St. Michael, or any other saint, to pray for us is the same reason we ask living human Christians to pray for us (and the flip side of why we pray for others).

Think of it this way - if you knew someone who was struggling with a particular issue, you’d pray for them. If they asked you to directly, you’d (probably) be more likely to. And doing so would be good (as demonstrated countless times in scripture). When you die if you go to heaven, nothing changes - you will still pray for those who struggle.

The second to last section of catholic.com/tracts/praying-to-the-saints may be helpful. It deals with some of the other objections to praying to saints first, but the last section is devoted to “why not directly to Jesus?” And the answer is of course that we should pray directly to Jesus, and should simply pray to saints also.

Recall: “Bless the Lord, O you his angels, you mighty ones who do his word, hearkening to the voice of his word! Bless the Lord, all his hosts, his ministers that do his will!” (Ps. 103:20-21)
 
A person I know who is a parishioner at a local church has suggested adding a prayer to St. Michael after every Mass, seeking his assistance in overturning the HHS mandate. I am what can only honestly be described an ex-Catholic, though I remain fascinated by Catholic thought and culture, and largely respectful of the Church’s aims. My question here is a simple one: What is gained by praying to St. Michael over praying directly to God himself?
Catholics believe that the dead who are saved are already enjoying the eternal life with the Holy Trinity. In Heaven, they are very much alive and worship God "day and “night,” if you will. If we ask them to pray for us, they will certainly do so and their prayer are more powerful than ours because they see God face to face (read the book of Revelations for imagery on this).

When we ask St. Michael or another saint to pray for us, we are not going to them instead of God. When I ask a saint to pray for something for me, now instead of one sinner asking God for help, there is a sinner and saint asking.
 
Thanks for the thoughtful answers. I didn’t mean to suggest an either/or decision–either praying to God OR asking St. Michael to pray to God on our behalf. I’m assuming a Catholic would do both. My question (poorly stated, I grant ya) was more in this vein: How is my praying to God + St. Michael better than my praying simply to God?

Something in me resists the idea that asking a well-placed advocate to help plead my case with God is going to be more efficacious than pleading my case to God by myself. The notion that some personages (saints, etc.) have a greater claim on God’s attention or favors than others (lowly us, for instance) seems a very anthropomorphic projection on God, doesn’t it? As if he were some kind of slightly vain and distracted potentate who will be impressed only if I can get the right kind of people to help press my case. If God knows and loves us all infinitely, knows the number of hairs on our heads, etc., he surely knows what we want when we come to him in prayer and he surely gives us a fair hearing. And there are certainly plenty of mentions in the Bible about asking God directly for what we want/need.
 
Something in me resists the idea that asking a well-placed advocate to help plead my case with God is going to be more efficacious than pleading my case to God by myself.
In the Gospels, Our Lord repeatedly says that prayers lacking in faith will not be answered as much as prayers with perfect trust in God (think of the mountain and mustard seed). St. James says that the prayers of a righteous man are especially efficacious. In the Book of Revelations we see the saints in Heaven wearing special garments and pleading with God.

Basically what I’m saying is that despite your feelings about it, the value of saintly intercession is very well established in the Christian scriptures, the practice of the early Christians, and well-explained by the Church.

Is your resistance logical or emotional? Sometimes we all have to yield to our better judgment, despite our heart not being in it at the beginning. I’ve been there.
 
Well, I’m not claiming that my feeling on it should supersede Catholic practice. But I am saying–in answer to your last question–that, yes, Catholic practice seems illogical on this point. Also contradictory, because just as clearly as the examples you point out regarding intercessory prayer, there are plenty of instances in the NT of Jesus advocating praying directly to God (the Lord’s Prayer, “ask and it will be given to you,” “pray to your father in secret,” etc.).
 
A person I know who is a parishioner at a local church has suggested adding a prayer to St. Michael after every Mass, seeking his assistance in overturning the HHS mandate. I am what can only honestly be described an ex-Catholic, though I remain fascinated by Catholic thought and culture, and largely respectful of the Church’s aims. My question here is a simple one: What is gained by praying to St. Michael over praying directly to God himself?
I have to ask if you have ever learned about the Communion of Saints?

Link: newadvent.org/cathen/04171a.htm

When someone says they are “ex-Catholic” or something similar I try to gain an understanding of what the terminology they use implies. The Communion and Intercession of Saints is a fairly basic Teaching of the Church that any Catholic or “ex-Catholic” should have some comprehension of.
 
Hi Kenny. Yes, I’m completely familiar with the Church teaching about the Communion of Saints.
 
In the Gospels, Our Lord repeatedly says that prayers lacking in faith will not be answered as much as prayers with perfect trust in God (think of the mountain and mustard seed). St. James says that the prayers of a righteous man are especially efficacious. In the Book of Revelations we see the saints in Heaven wearing special garments and pleading with God.
In addition to the above, perhaps a non-religious example might help. When you want a job, you must send in your resume (that’s your prayer to God). You may also request some really good letters of reference from some stellar people (that’s the Saint’s intercession).
 
The prayer to St. Michael is a very powerful weapon against evil. After all, God entrusted St. Michael with the task of casting Satan into Hell. Mother Angelica once said that she thinks a prayer to St. Michael should be said every day for abortion. Don’t quote me on that, but she was talking on one of her shows about the St. Michael prayer and the power of it. I think she had a caller tell about big changes in her neighborhood as well after she started praying it. I pray it every night before I go to sleep for protection.
 
How is my praying to God + St. Michael better than my praying simply to God?

Something in me resists the idea that asking a well-placed advocate to help plead my case with God is going to be more efficacious than pleading my case to God by myself. The notion that some personages (saints, etc.) have a greater claim on God’s attention or favors than others (lowly us, for instance) seems a very anthropomorphic projection on God, doesn’t it? .
So, it’s safe to assume you don’t ask others (here on earth) to pray for you or anyone else either?
 
In addition to the above, perhaps a non-religious example might help. When you want a job, you must send in your resume (that’s your prayer to God). You may also request some really good letters of reference from some stellar people (that’s the Saint’s intercession).
The analogy is too far off to be much use. If the party doing the hiring is omniscient, letters of reference are meaningless, right? What could a reference tell that employer that he doesn’t already know?
 
The prayer to St. Michael is a very powerful weapon against evil. After all, God entrusted St. Michael with the task of casting Satan into Hell. Mother Angelica once said that she thinks a prayer to St. Michael should be said every day for abortion. Don’t quote me on that, but she was talking on one of her shows about the St. Michael prayer and the power of it. I think she had a caller tell about big changes in her neighborhood as well after she started praying it. I pray it every night before I go to sleep for protection.
Yes, plenty of people believe it to be a powerful prayer, which is why the person in my original post wants it said after every Mass.
 
O glorious Prince of the Heavenly Host, St. Michael, the Archangel, defend us in the battle and in the fearful warfare that we are waging against the principalities and powers, against the rulers of this world of darkness, against the evil spirits. Come thou, to the assistance of men, whom Almighty God created immortal, making them in His Own image and likeness and redeeming them at a great price from the tyranny of Satan. Fight this day the battle of the Lord with thy legions of holy Angels, even as of old, thou didst fight against Lucifer, the leader of the proud spirits and all his rebel Angels, who were powerless to stand against thee.

Neither was their place found anymore in Heaven. And that apostle Angel, transformed into an Angel of darkness who still creeps about the earth to encompass our ruin, was cast headlong into the abyss together with his followers.

But, behold, that first enemy of mankind, and a murderer from the beginning, has regained his confidence. Changing himself into an Angel of light, he goes about with the whole multitude of the wicked spirits to invade the earth and blot out the Name of God and of His Christ, to plunder, to slay, and to consign to eternal damnation the souls that have been destined for a crown of everlasting life. This wicked serpent, like an unclean torrent, pours into men of depraved minds and corrupt hearts the poison of his malice, the spirit of lying, impiety, and blasphemy, and the deadly breath of impurity and every form of vice and iniquity. These crafty enemies of mankind have filled to overflowing with gall and wormwood the Church, which is the Bride of the Lamb without spot. They have laid profane hands upon her most sacred treasures.

Make haste, therefore, O invincible Prince, to help the people of God against the inroads of the lost spirits and grant us the victory.
Amen.
 
We’re kind of spinning our wheels here, I’m sensing.

Thanks for the thoughts, folks.
 
You’re right, I don’t [ask others to pray for me].
I’ll grant you that the why of why we should ask others to pray for us is a bit tricky. But the that is pretty well documented in scripture (see, for example, the page I linked on page 1). That is to say, even if we don’t quiet understand how it’s helpful, it’s clear that it is - which is not to say that we shouldn’t ask why, just that not all answers are immediately clear.

I have three thoughts that may be helpful on the ‘why’ side however.

First, look at things from the perspective of the saint. The saints are in heaven, they are united with God. They understand Him and know Him and understand and know how to pray. It would not be much of a stretch to say that many of our prayers compare to the prayers of the saints in the same way a three year old’s mumbled only half understood prayer does to ours. That is, the saints are better at it than we are. You pray that things will go well for your three year old, the saints pray that things will go well for us.

Second, consider a friend or family member you know who has somewhat fallen away from Christianity and is only hanging on by a thread. He prays occasionally, but doesn’t really think anything could ever come of it and only gives it half of his attention while he does so. It would make sense for you to pray for him - not only that his faith will grow, but also that anything else he may need will happen. Once again, the relationship between you and the friend is more or less the same as the relationship between the saints and us - we all have our moments of doubt, we all fall occasionally, but the saints are looking at the face of God - their faith is rock solid.

And finally, I remember a homily where the priest said as kind of an off hand comment that during a certain time period Mary interceded and prayed for our healing because we would not make those prayers ourselves. I might be too embarrassed, too stupid, or too stubborn to ask God for what I need to ask Him for, but the saints don’t have that problem. So the saints will simply say prayers that we don’t because, once again, they’re better at it than we are and know what should be prayed for.

Now, you could respond by saying that God could just circumvent all those issues and give us what we need or should be praying for anyway. This is true. He could do that. But He has ordained not to (this is demonstrated by the fact that Scripture tells us that asking others to pray for us is good). You could then ask why He does things this way. But you could also ask why He wants us to pray at all for that matter, since He knows what we need or want anyway and doesn’t need us to tell Him to decide whether to act on these needs and wants.

I hesitate to claim to know God’s reasons, but if I were to theorize (which is a slightly oblique way of saying that I theorize all the time and just don’t want to imply that my theories are necessarily right despite the fact that I tend to think they probably are) I think the answer would be much the same in both cases: prayer keeps us focused on God and reminds us of His love for us as well as of His Goodness, hence God makes it useful and ordains that certain things will occur as responses to our prayers (since we are more likely to do that which we can see as having or potentially having immediate(ish) and visible(ish) good effects). Likewise, the saints are good examples and knowing their lives and identifying with them is good, hence God makes the communion of saints more than just a group of dead people we can admire - in making prayer through the saints efficacious, He draws our attention to the saints and hence to good examples of ways in which we can lead good and holy lives. There’s probably more to it than that, but that’s the best I can guess at three in the morning anyway.
 
That’s a nice meaty answer, I Donkey. I appreciate all the time and thought you put into it. You’ve given me some helpful ways to think about the thing. My problem is an old one, and largely comes down to lack of faith. When I’m in a more faithful frame of mind (not so much lately), the sort of explanation you’ve given can be pretty compelling for me. In my current state state, though, all I’m inclined to see is the thinness of some of the logic in the argument. My problem is that I’m nostalgic for my days as a believer, when I was young, and I go through cycles of hope and despair trying to get back to that belief. I never seem to quite make it all the way, and the progress I make on my up cycles never seems to stick. I do appreciate your thoughtful answer. Thanks for taking the time.
 
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