Pre-Cana and annulment questionaire

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I have looked over a friend’s annulment questions (about 7 pages worth all having to be answered in paragraph form) and was wondering, if similar questions were required to be answered by those in pre-Cana, would the divorce rate drop? It seems that the questions cause one to truly reflect and understand what a sacramental marriage is all about. I have read some posters here who have also stated that, after going through the annulment process, had they seen all the questions they had to answer during the annulment process when they were preparing for marriage they wouldn’t have married their ex-spouses. Just curious if anyone else thought this would be a good idea for couples preparing for marriage?
 
I think you are right, and I have heard from people who have gone through the process that just the act of completing the interview was revelatory and healing.

Yes, a similar interview is part of most pre-Cana programs, it is called the focus instrument, and it does what you suggest, make each party reflect on the important dimensions of marriage, and on their attitudes toward elements of marriage that are common sources of conflict. That is also the purpose of the meetings with sponsor couples. those who protest loudly about the “rules and regs” of the Church regarding marriage prep should reflect seriously on OPs very wise observation.
 
I can honestly tell you that if someone would have asked me those questions before I got married the first time, I would have NEVER married that man. Ever. (I’m currently in the annullment process in order to have my marriage convalidated when my husband and I enter the Church) I wish that all couples considering marriage, Catholic and otherwise, would evaluate their intentions so carefully prior to taking that step.
 
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I have looked over a friend’s annulment questions (about 7 pages worth all having to be answered in paragraph form) and was wondering, if similar questions were required to be answered by those in pre-Cana, would the divorce rate drop? It seems that the questions cause one to truly reflect and understand what a sacramental marriage is all about. I have read some posters here who have also stated that, after going through the annulment process, had they seen all the questions they had to answer during the annulment process when they were preparing for marriage they wouldn’t have married their ex-spouses. Just curious if anyone else thought this would be a good idea for couples preparing for marriage?
This was one of my first thoughts upon reading the nullity petition questionnaire, too! Answering the questions provides GREAT insight. I don’t know for sure if I would have done anything different if I’d seen them during marriage prep but they sure would have given me some things to think about.

My pastor is my annulment case sponsor. After reviewing my petition he asked me how I found the process, and I told him I was a little angry at the Church for not using the obvious wealth of knowledge found in this petition to aid couples pre-marriage. He said he very much agreed and that there have been recent discussions in my diocese about just this issue.

Our marriage prep included NOTHING like the Focus document puzzleannie mentions. We went to a dismal weekend Engaged Encounter retreat where goofy fake-perfect-sounding married couples advised us to make sure someone balanced the checkbook every month and to get naked if we were fighting. PLEASE!
 
I remember answering several questionaires before marriage. There were questions I was asked privately. There were also questions that my husband-to-be and I were asked together. My parents mentioned a questionaire that the Archdiocese sent them as well.
The one question I remember had to do with impotency. If we are called to be chaste until marriage, how do we know whether or not our future spouse is impotent?😊
 
I know that I had to answer a fairly extensive pre-Cana battery of questions, though admittedly they were of the Likert scale, multiple choice type, rather than the reflective writing generally associated with nullity case questionnaires.

I do think that more questions could be asked in some places, as part of the pre-Cana preparation. However, having said this, I am not entirely sure that annullment-type questionnaires would seriously alter the divorce rate for a variety of reasons, to wit:

—The Church (in this country, at least) already takes some major flak over the six-month waiting period and the various pre-Cana hoops through which engaged couples must jump. This varies from diocese to diocese, with some requiring Engaged Encounters, and some even requiring NFP classes. Some really prevail upon the Catholic spouse(s) to be confirmed prior to the wedding, as well as the need to not cohabitate. Most parishes, however, require several meetings with a priest, deacon or marriage counselor of some sort, and a class at one’s parish. Then there is the paperwork to be presented (baptism, communion and confirmation certificates, as well as civil license and possibly divorce papers and decrees of nullity). We all know that there are many cases of irregular marriages that must be addressed through various means, all of which require additional time. Simply put, I think that elaborate questionnaires that required reflective, fairly lengthy written responses would only add to the perception, particularly among young people, that the Church places too many obstacles and “hoops” in the way of young people seeking to get married in the Church. Many young people are not capable of that level of sincere, mature reflection at that stage of their lives, and some would likely marry outside the Church before they would submit to what they would consider intrusive questions.

----As stated above, one’s ability to reflect in such a mature and sincere fashion increases with age and maturity. There is a big difference between the typical single 25-year old’s ability and that of a 35 year-old who has been divorced and possibly had children. The same is even more true of a 45-year old, a 55-year old, etc. In other words, one would not likely get the same level of reflection from many, if not most, young couples, even if it were required before marriage. How many of us were so capable at that age? Sure, we THOUGHT we were at the time…😉

—It is always easier to see things in hindsight, particularly years after the fact. Thus, the reflection process comes more naturally at the later juncture, after specific events have occurred in the interim, whereas such insight is unlikely to materialize at an earlier time, when youth and emotion are in control. Besides, how many of would have really have listened at that point, even when confronted with direct evidence of specific concerns, and red flags galore? No, we probably would have come up with a million excuses as to why XYZ was NOT going to happen to us, identifying specific strategies that we would use to make sure of that. Some would even do this quite articulately, in a way that would convince the priest that we were really mature and level-headed, after all.

No, human nature being what it is, and especially the American consumeristic culture being what it is, and with our generation being conditioned to instant gratification (so different than our parents’ and grandparents’ generations were), I doubt that more intensive questioning, however reflective, would seriously dent the divorce rate. I wish I could say otherwise. 😦
 
Simply put, I think that elaborate questionnaires that required reflective, fairly lengthy written responses would only add to the perception, particularly among young people, that the Church places too many obstacles and “hoops” in the way of young people seeking to get married in the Church. Many young people are not capable of that level of sincere, mature reflection at that stage of their lives, and some would likely marry outside the Church before they would submit to what they would consider intrusive questions.
Then they shouldn’t be getting married AT ALL.

The Church cannot water down the rules just to keep a self-entitled couple from going to get married in another church.

The fact is that the amount of Catholic couples entering into invalid marriages right now is astounding and something needs to be done about it. Couples do not understand what a Sacramental marriage is on their wedding day and that’s a crying shame.

When I got married, DH and I didn’t have to do any of the questionnaire type things others have described on this thread. We simply had a meeting with the priest and had to attend a retreat. No interviews, no questionnaires, no instruction, nada. It’s a darn good thing God was looking out for me and we’re still together, but I still have doubts that my marriage is even valid.
 
Then they shouldn’t be getting married AT ALL.

The Church cannot water down the rules just to keep a self-entitled couple from going to get married in another church.
Agreed, and I certainly did not suggest that it should water down anything or change any rules. Neither do I wish that the fairly involved preparation that currently exists be changed.

I merely replied to the OP’s question about using the annulment case-type questions as part of the marriage preparation. I pointed out that some of the events about which annulment questions ask have not yet occurred at time of engagement, and that even the ones that have are not likely to generate the introspective reflection that ten or twenty years’ hindsight generally produces.

I am not merely speaking about spoiled, “self-entiled” couples, I am talking about the age group in general today. I doubt that twentysomethings of my parents’/grandparents’ generations were any more introspective at that age. The reason that they stayed married for their entire lives was that their mindset and expectations concerning marriage were completely different. (Usually this was for the better, but sometimes not…) But their superior understanding of the lifelong nature of marriage was not brought about by questionnaires and reflective interviews, and neither do I think that today’s young couples’ ability to discern the sacrament would be helped by annulment-style interviews, beyond the considerable preparation that already exists. The solutions lie elsewhere.
 
Years ago I read about the question an African priest asked every couple who came to him seeking the Sacrament of Matrimony.
“Have you ever had a fight?”
“Of course not. We love each other and want to get married.”
“Go home then and do not return until after you have had your first fight.”
Marriage is a serious committment “to be entered with eyes wide open and maintained with eyes half shut.” (St Benedict)
Sometimes a simple test of a couple’ ability to communicate and reconcile differences is more effective than long questionaires.
 
I can honestly tell you that if someone would have asked me those questions before I got married the first time, I would have NEVER married that man. Ever.
Could not have said that better myself.

However, I should add, that when we did our “marriage prep” (one visit with his Methodist minister) I was laughed at by the minister when I told him I was Catholic. :mad: Should have run the other way, really really fast. But didn’t - until 11 years later. :rolleyes:

~Liza
 
Years ago I read about the question an African priest asked every couple who came to him seeking the Sacrament of Matrimony.
“Have you ever had a fight?”
“Of course not. We love each other and want to get married.”
“Go home then and do not return until after you have had your first fight.”
Marriage is a serious committment “to be entered with eyes wide open and maintained with eyes half shut.” (St Benedict)
Sometimes a simple test of a couple’ ability to communicate and reconcile differences is more effective than long questionaires.
Oh - I absolutely believe this!! I’ve actually asked friends when they think they have found “the one” - I’ll ask them, “So, how do you fight?”. They usually look at me like I have two heads - but when I explain that it is extremely important how a couple fights and makes up, and can be very telling of the future to be when all is not warm and fuzzy and all wedding bells and flowers.

~Liza
 
Oh - I absolutely believe this!! I’ve actually asked friends when they think they have found “the one” - I’ll ask them, “So, how do you fight?”. They usually look at me like I have two heads - but when I explain that it is extremely important how a couple fights and makes up, and can be very telling of the future to be when all is not warm and fuzzy and all wedding bells and flowers.

~Liza
I tell my friends this too…wait to get serious until after you’ve had your first big argument and see how he deals with it and how you deal with it. Thing is, a lot of people don’t think that way. And the annulment questionnaire…very centered on this kind of stuff. i.e…how do you resolve conflicts, how did your parents resolve conflicts, how do you both react to discussion, if you can’t resolve conflicts why are you still together (why did you get married)? The annulment “questionnaire” is much much more than just yes or no, check the box answers. It really gets to the heart of what makes a sacramental marriage.

Should we all know what makes a committed relationship before we consider marriage? Yes! But in the less-than-ideal world, what does it hurt to give engaged couples one extra tool to help them know what committment is. I can’t say for sure I would not have married my ex, but it’s a shame to learn years later that the Church had this tool and does not employ it to maximum effect.

At least make it an OPTION…I mean, I had to hunt for a month to even find an annulment questionnair online…the diocese I was living in required that you have a divorce decree in your hot little hand before they would let you see the annulment petition. How would an engaged person get hold of one in that case?
 
People lie to others, and to themselves. You might be 100% honest, but the other person may not be, so having the questions beforehand may not help.
 
People lie to others, and to themselves. You might be 100% honest, but the other person may not be, so having the questions beforehand may not help.
But it could help one couple…what’s to lose by making it an available option? 😦
 
All you need to know about marriage is now on a new website provided by the US Catholic Bishops called…foryourmarriage.org
Check it out.

As a FOCCUS facilitator which stands for Faciliting open couple communication and understanding study…more than 150 basic statements are given which a couple either agrees, disagrees or is uncertain about…each take the survey separately and then the answers are compared and discussion ensues. In the 6 years that we have utilizing this tool approximately 15% decide to delay or not get married because they do not really know each other or have the same expectations of marriage. Much better than needing a divorce and possibly and annulment later.

We strongly recommend it for all couples preparing for marriage.
 
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