Pre-existence

[JaredM]

What was it like before you were born? I’ve been trying to wrap my mind around this since I could ever think. Me not existing terrified me even more than hell. All I know is that I am here now because I think therefore I am.

 

[JM3]

All I know is that I am here now because I think therefore I am.

Being able to reason makes you God? interesting

 

[stephe1987]

The Church teaches that a new soul is created when a sperm and egg come together to make a fertilized egg.
The sperm cell was created probably not more than two days before you were born.
The egg cell was created when your maternal grandmother was pregnant with your mother, although there is some recent evidence that says some women can make more eggs after they reach puberty.

Perhaps you could rationalize your fear a bit? If you weren’t there yet, you weren’t aware that you weren’t there. Nobody can remember their own birth, and at best a person might have very vague memories from age one or two. Other people don’t remember anything before the 3rd or 4th grade (age 8-9). There is no reason to be afraid of what you don’t remember, unless you’re repressing something awful that happened to you. Not existing is not awful; you exist now and don’t remember not existing.

Now, hell is another matter entirely. Hell is the absence of God, so your soul will burn from not being around God. By your actions, you choose to be away from God, which is hell. And your soul will also experience a fire relative to the unrepented sins you committed (God is a just God, so hell is not the same for everyone).

@JM3… lol. Yeah, “I AM” is the name God calls Himself.

 

[puzzleannie]

What was it like before you were born? Im.

get any resource that gives pictures and descriptions of the developing fetus in the womb and it well tell you also the neurological function as it develops. If you are asking about before you were born you mean while you were in your mother’s womb.

You were created when you were conceived, you did not exist prior to that time.

 

[kaid100]

Being able to reason makes you God? interesting

Sorry, how did you get that he thought he was God from what he said?

 

[Katholish]

I am.

 

[OvrlapnMagstria]

I am confused as to why you would be more afraid of non-existence than hell. To modify a great Mark Twain quote: I was non-existent for billions of years before I was born and it did not bother me in the least.

 

[greylorn]

What was it like before you were born? I’ve been trying to wrap my mind around this since I could ever think. Me not existing terrified me even more than hell. All I know is that I am here now because I think therefore I am.

Before you or I were born, “it,” meaning the universe, went on just fine without either of us. It will do so after our respective demises.

If you are terrified of something which you’ve been happily doing for at least 13 billion years, namely, not existing, a non-event which has left you with the same scars as the rest of us— ignorance, consider joining the U.S.M.C. where you can learn to fear something real and immediate.

You are not here because you happened to come across an out-of-context quote from Descartes’ cogito ergo sum writings. You don’t think. Very few humans do, so you are in the comfortable company of others whose brains process information, mistaking it for thought.

The answer to your question depends upon the particular birth you were referring to.

If it is the nth birth, and n > 1, then you’ve been unconscious since your previous demise because you did not occupy your previous lifetime by acquiring a level of consciousness that you could sustain without the assistance of a brain-body system.

Until you do differently, you will repeat these cycles.

 

[yppop]

The answer to your question depends upon the particular birth you were referring to.

If it is the nth birth, and n > 1, then you’ve been unconscious since your previous demise because you did not occupy your previous lifetime by acquiring a level of consciousness that you could sustain without the assistance of a brain-body system.

Until you do differently, you will repeat these cycles.

Ah Greylorn,
I must have missed this idea when I critiqued your hypothesis or have you added something since.

Are you implying the possibilty of our living multiple lives? Don’t tell me that you are advocating the Many Worlds Interpretation of the Schroedinger’s wave equation?

I recently got to sing "who threw the overall’s in Mrs, Murphy’s chowder at our family’s St. Patrick’s party. Political correctness has even impacted on this grand old standard. Did you know that the language police have replaced “mick” with “hick” in the latest renditions.

Yppop

 

[greylorn]

Ah Greylorn,
I must have missed this idea when I critiqued your hypothesis or have you added something since.

Are you implying the possibilty of our living multiple lives? Don’t tell me that you are advocating the Many Worlds Interpretation of the Schroedinger’s wave equation?

I recently got to sing "who threw the overall’s in Mrs, Murphy’s chowder at our family’s St. Patrick’s party. Political correctness has even impacted on this grand old standard. Did you know that the language police have replaced “mick” with “hick” in the latest renditions.

Yppop

Good to hear from you, FRiend!

You stopped critiquing my material after just a few chapters, at least a few years ago, as I recall. You nailed a really stupid mistake in my Energy chapter, and I believe that I thanked you properly, but you’ve not followed up, and I do not pester.

You only read the warm-up material. Did you think that I was finished?

Subsequent chapters go into the subject of human consciousness and purpose in far more depth. Since the material is designed to deal with all solid physical theory and all empirical evidence, I was required to deal with past life research. It is something which I had a tough time accepting, way back when, until I read a lot of material. Even that was equivocal, being tied up with various Eastern belief systems and California-style new-age religion. So I learned hypnosis and did my own research, with controls. I also arranged to have myself regressed into past-life experiences, and made it a point to have this done by hypnotists who were way too incompetent to trick me. Ugly experiences, but informative.

No, I do not buy into the many-world interpretations of modern pseudo-scientific nitwits. But I have come to accept the idea that in order to fully participate in this awesome universe, we must do more than spend a single lifetime attending a particular church, parroting certain prayers, and obeying simple rules. IMO a soul cannot prepare itself suitably in a single-life experience, as I once believed. Wish it were otherwise.

Did I mention that song earlier? Years ago when I was raising the old souls who had chosen to spend the formative years of their current lifetime with me, “Who Threw…” was a favorite song. The kids sang; I played guitar. I’m disgusted but not surprised by the stupid PC change from Mick to “hick.”

The girls’ favorite was, “Let Her Sleep Under the Bar,” after I explained it. I wonder what the PC hacks have done with “Harvard men…” in that song?

PM me to share good non-PC anecdotes. I came to distrust Hispanics upon discovering that none who pretended to be friends, nor any who expressed their true feelings, would tell me their Gringo jokes. A PC attitude is training in untrustworthiness, IMO. We human souls are a laughably silly lot, and if we cannot learn to laugh at one another in good spirit or ill, we belong in little slimeball-critter bodies on a cold moon in deep space, not on this fine planet. Without the freedom to laugh at one another, we are not free.