Pre-Vatican II Breviaries

  • Thread starter Thread starter Tempest
  • Start date Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.
T

Tempest

Guest
I’ve been a practicing Catholic for over 3 years now, but I’m just beginning to learn about Traditional Catholicism. I began praying the Liturgy of the Hours a while ago, and currently use the single-volume Christian Prayer. Now, I’m reading about the breviaries used before Vatican II, and there appear to be countless numbers of them.

I’m thinking about buying one, but the apparent diversity among them is making my head spin. Does everyone here recommend I begin reciting the Pre-VII Office? If so, which breviary do you suggest I use? Or, would I be better off sticking to the Liturgy of the Hours? Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, and God Bless.
 
I’ve been a practicing Catholic for over 3 years now, but I’m just beginning to learn about Traditional Catholicism. I began praying the Liturgy of the Hours a while ago, and currently use the single-volume Christian Prayer. Now, I’m reading about the breviaries used before Vatican II, and there appear to be countless numbers of them.

I’m thinking about buying one, but the apparent diversity among them is making my head spin. Does everyone here recommend I begin reciting the Pre-VII Office? If so, which breviary do you suggest I use? Or, would I be better off sticking to the Liturgy of the Hours? Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, and God Bless.
There is no right or wrong answer to that; it all depends upon what you are looking for. In the pre-Vatican II Breviary you will find the office of Prime, which has disappeared from the modern Breviary, and you will find Terce and None fully catered for; the latter two only getting grudging support from the modern Breviary. The offices in the traditional Breviary are longer. Especially so in the case of Matins, which will take about one to one and a half hours to recite if you fancy getting up in the early hours of the morning.

So it all depends what you want. Personally I can’t see any good reason to opt for the cut down modern breviary, even if you have no intention of saying the full office.
 
I’ve been a practicing Catholic for over 3 years now, but I’m just beginning to learn about Traditional Catholicism. I began praying the Liturgy of the Hours a while ago, and currently use the single-volume Christian Prayer. Now, I’m reading about the breviaries used before Vatican II, and there appear to be countless numbers of them.

I’m thinking about buying one, but the apparent diversity among them is making my head spin. Does everyone here recommend I begin reciting the Pre-VII Office? If so, which breviary do you suggest I use? Or, would I be better off sticking to the Liturgy of the Hours? Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, and God Bless.
I personally recommend reciting the Pre-VII Office. I cannot recommend a specific one at this time, I myself am without. Until I do get one, I recite the Little Office of the Blessed Virgin Mary (pre-VII), which is available thru. Angelus Press, and I believe Leaflet Missal has it as now. Wish I could help more.
 
I have the Little office of the blessed Virgin Mary. It has it both in latin and english.
 
I’ve been a practicing Catholic for over 3 years now, but I’m just beginning to learn about Traditional Catholicism. I began praying the Liturgy of the Hours a while ago, and currently use the single-volume Christian Prayer. Now, I’m reading about the breviaries used before Vatican II, and there appear to be countless numbers of them.

I’m thinking about buying one, but the apparent diversity among them is making my head spin. Does everyone here recommend I begin reciting the Pre-VII Office? If so, which breviary do you suggest I use? Or, would I be better off sticking to the Liturgy of the Hours? Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, and God Bless.
I have the 4 volume set of the post-Vat II LOTH. Took me awhile to navigate the prayers and hours, but there’s a handy guide that goes along with it. It’s really up to you, depending on what your mode of spirituality is. Like Math said, the pre-Vat II LOTH is much longer with Prime included, but the modern LOTH has added more saints for commemorations, solemnities, and feasts.
 
If it’s recomended by the FSSP, that’s good enough for me. But what do they mean by translated "… in accordance with the Book of Common Prayer " ? Did they add or change something ?
Grace and Peace,

It isn’t actually recommended by the FSSP, if you actually read the comments on the site, it was recommended by “certain” priests of the Roman Catholic Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter…

Our dear brother bkovacs appears to be taking a few liberties with this generalization…

Q. Has the Anglican Breviary been officially approved by the Roman Catholic or Orthodox Church?

A. Not officially. However, certain priests of the Roman Catholic Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter have recommended the Anglican Breviary to their laity as an acceptable form of the Divine Office. In addition, the western rite of the Antiochian Orthodox Church uses the Anglican Breviary as well. While the Anglican Breviary probably shouldn’t be used for public recitation of the Office in Roman Catholic churches without the permission of the bishop, it should be perfectly fine for private devotions since it contains nothing contrary to the Catholic Faith.

If you read the frequently asked questions, you’ll see that it’s been ‘largely’ altered from the Roman Catholic Liturgy of the Hours…
 
I’ve been a practicing Catholic for over 3 years now, but I’m just beginning to learn about Traditional Catholicism. I began praying the Liturgy of the Hours a while ago, and currently use the single-volume Christian Prayer. Now, I’m reading about the breviaries used before Vatican II, and there appear to be countless numbers of them.

I’m thinking about buying one, but the apparent diversity among them is making my head spin. Does everyone here recommend I begin reciting the Pre-VII Office? If so, which breviary do you suggest I use? Or, would I be better off sticking to the Liturgy of the Hours? Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, and God Bless.
I recommend using the Pre-VII Office. www.breviary.net will let you see the one using the rubrics of St. Pius X. I don’t necessarily recommend some of the non breviary links on that site though. They seem to take you to sites run by sedevacantists.
 
Grace and Peace,

It isn’t actually recommended by the FSSP, if you actually read the comments on the site, it was recommended by “certain” priests of the Roman Catholic Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter…

Our dear brother bkovacs appears to be taking a few liberties with this generalization…

Q. Has the Anglican Breviary been officially approved by the Roman Catholic or Orthodox Church?

A. Not officially. However, certain priests of the Roman Catholic Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter have recommended the Anglican Breviary to their laity as an acceptable form of the Divine Office. In addition, the western rite of the Antiochian Orthodox Church uses the Anglican Breviary as well. While the Anglican Breviary probably shouldn’t be used for public recitation of the Office in Roman Catholic churches without the permission of the bishop, it should be perfectly fine for private devotions since it contains nothing contrary to the Catholic Faith.

If you read the frequently asked questions, you’ll see that it’s been ‘largely’ altered from the Roman Catholic Liturgy of the Hours…
Thanks Chris, I’ll go take a look.

Pax
 
In the Early Church it was customary (and remained so for many centuries) to have a Vigil on the night preceding important feasts. This Vigil was divided into three parts, from which we get the first Offices- Vespers, Matins and Lauds. Vespers would begin in the evening, with Lauds ending in the early hours of the morning. Eventually these three divisions would be split apart, with Vespers prayed in the evening, Matins in the early morning and Lauds following Matins. The Office of Matins took the place of Vigil service, and was itself divided into three divisions called Nocturns.

Monks would wake in the early hours of the morning (around 2am) and chant Matins, with Lauds immediately following and ending just after sunrise. The monks would then return to bed. When they awoke again they would chant the Office of Prime to begin the day.

Three daytime Offices were added to correspond to three Nocturns of Matins. The monks would gather mid-morning to sing the Office of Terce, again around noon for Sext, and once more in the mid-afternoon for None.

Monastic communities eventually found it necessary for a final Office to be prayed after the late afternoon or early evening Office of Vespers. So Compline came into being in the evening immediately before bed.

While the times often differ in practice, with various offices being prayed at the same time, here is the regular timetable for the traditional Divine Office, still followed by many monasteries (especially those under the Rule of St. Benedict):

Matins- before sunrise
Lauds- sunrise, after Matins
Prime- 6am
Terce- 9am
Sext- noon
None- 3pm
Vespers- sunset, around 6pm
Compline- around 9pm

The prayers of the Divine Office are contained in the Brevarium Romanum, the breviary (though other liturgical Rites have their own breviaries, such as the Brevarium Ambrosianum; the Benedictines, while using the Roman Rite for their Mass, have their own breviary, the Brevarium Monasticum). Outside of monasteries, secular clergymen were required to pray the Divine Office daily. Parish churches would sometimes have some of the offices (especially Lauds and Vespers) sung publicly. Those who use the entire Divine Office as their personal prayer outside of formal liturgical structures often rearrange the offices and even leave some out to make them more convenient. So the following is common among laity using the Divine Office:

Matins- omitted, except on major feasts
Lauds- 6am or upon waking
Prime- omitted
Terce- omitted
Sext- noon, or before lunch
None- omitted
Vespers- 6pm, or before dinner
Compline- 10pm, or before bed

There is also the Little Office of the Blessed Virgin, which began as a medieval devotion used by the laity. It is meant to be a more simplified of the Divine Office especially suited for the laity. Like the Divine Office it is organized into the eight Offices and prayed in the same manner at the same times.

The Novus Ordo made vast reforms to the Divine Office. Matins was changed into the Office of Readings and can be said at any time during the day, while Prime was abolished. Terce, Sext and None were condensed and known collectively as The Little Hours, only one of these being required for the day. Vespers is more commonly called Evensong today (a term that originates in Anglicanism).

Here are some links to books of the Divine Office and the Little Office of the Blessed Virgin:

The Roman Breviary online
With commentary and rubrics.

**[%between%]("http://www.angeluspress.org/oscatalog/item/6597/divine-office"Divine Office from Angelus Press[/URL)
This is a condensed version of the breviary for laymen. It contains Prime, Sext and Compline for every day of the week, with Lauds and Vespers for Sundays.

**Roman Breviary from Preserving Christian Publications**Two-volume set of the 1962 edition of the breviary, in Latin only.

Little Office of the Blessed Virgin from Angelus press
The 1914 edition of the Little Office of Our Lady

Little Office of the Blessed Virgin from Baronius Press
The 1961 edition of the Little Office of Our Lady. Includes the chants of the Offices in traditional notation and meditations.

Baronius Press is currently in the process of publishing the full breviary in English and Latin which should be available sometime this year.**
 
If it’s recomended by the FSSP, that’s good enough for me. But what do they mean by translated "… in accordance with the Book of Common Prayer " ? Did they add or change something ?
It means a couple of things. Firstly the translation of the psalms is the same as that used in the Book of Common Prayer, and secondly some of the collects were taken from the Book of Common Prayer.
 
If you are fearful of committing some grave heresy, here is one of the collects (taken from Prime):

“O LORD, our heavenly Father, Almighty and everlasting God, who hast safely brought us to the beginning of this day: defend us in the same with thy mighty power; and grant that this day we fall into no sin, neither run into any kind of danger; but that all our doings may be ordered by thy governance, to do always that is righteous in thy sight. Through Jesus Christ thy Son our Lord. Who liveth and reigneth with thee, in the unity of the Holy Ghot, ever one God, world without end. Amen.”

This morning at Lauds:

“Grant, we beseech thee, Almighty God: that we, duly mortifying the flesh by this our abstinence, may inwardly rejoice in holiness of spirit; that being delivered from all earthly and carnal affections, we may speedily obtain thy heavenly promises. Through…”

The General Confession:

"I confess to Almighty God, to Blessed Mary Ever Virgin, to blessed Michael the Archangel, to blessed John Baptist, to the holy apostles Peter and Paul, and to all the Saints, that I have sinned exceedingly in thought, word, and deed, through my fault, through my own fault, through my own most grievous fault. Therefore I beg Blessed Mary Ever Virgin, blessed Michael the Archangel, blessed John Baptist, the holy Apostles Peter and Paul, and all the Saints, to pray to the Lord our God for me.

Almighty God have mercy upon us, forgive us our sins, and bring us to everlasting life. Amen.

The Almighty and merciful Lord grant us pardon, absolution, and remission of our sins. Amen."

(The wording is slightly different if there is a priest present.)
 
If it’s recomended by the FSSP, that’s good enough for me. But what do they mean by translated "… in accordance with the Book of Common Prayer " ? Did they add or change something ?

The two biggest changes adapting the Roman Breviary to Anglican practice were to number Sundays after Trinity rather than after Pentecost, and to adjust the rank of certain feasts according to Anglican use (e.g., Pope St. Gregory was elevated to a Double of the II class, rather than simply a Greater Double).
 
If it’s recomended by the FSSP, that’s good enough for me. But what do they mean by translated "… in accordance with the Book of Common Prayer " ? Did they add or change something ?

The two biggest changes adapting the Roman Breviary to Anglican practice were to number Sundays after Trinity rather than after Pentecost, and to adjust the rank of certain feasts according to Anglican use (e.g., Pope St. Gregory was elevated to a Double of the II class, rather than simply a Greater Double).
ok, thanks. 🙂
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top