Pre-Vatican II

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I am a new Catholic. Catholics 60+ in my parish exhibit certain characteristics and Catholic habits that I find very intriguing and beautiful really.

If I wanted to know what Catholic life was like before Vatican II what books would I read or websites would I visit? As a beginner Catholic I would like to see the differences.

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Hi srf,

I suggest finding yourself a local community that uses the extraordinary form of the Roman rite. That way you can experience the old liturgy and also come into contact with Catholics immersed in that spirituality. Such persons might recommend books, too. Beware, however, that there are communities like this which are not in good standing with Rome. You can find safe listings here and here. Quite a few in Texas.
 
Hi srf,

I suggest finding yourself a local community that uses the extraordinary form of the Roman rite. That way you can experience the old liturgy and also come into contact with Catholics immersed in that spirituality. Such persons might recommend books, too. Beware, however, that there are communities like this which are not in good standing with Rome. You can find safe listings here and here. Quite a few in Texas.
The Priestly Fraternity of Saint Peter is in good standing with Rome are they not?
 
=srfnolen;13416906]I am a new Catholic. Catholics 60+ in my parish exhibit certain characteristics and Catholic habits that I find very intriguing and beautiful really.
If I wanted to know what Catholic life was like before Vatican II what books would I read or websites would I visit? As a beginner Catholic I would like to see the differences.
Here are three listed in order of recommendation:):

The Spirit of the Liturgy by then Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger [later Pope Benedict XVI]👍

Mass Confusion by James Akin

The Mass and Modernity by Jonthan Robinson

Then if there are any lingering questions please send me a private message and we can discuss them.🙂

God Bless you,

Patrick
 
I am a new Catholic. Catholics 60+ in my parish exhibit certain characteristics and Catholic habits that I find very intriguing and beautiful really.

If I wanted to know what Catholic life was like before Vatican II what books would I read or websites would I visit? As a beginner Catholic I would like to see the differences.

srfnolen
Watch Fulton Sheen’s tapes, on EWTN, and his books. Read GK Chesterton, or watch “The Apostle of Common Sense” on EWTN. Those may be the 2 dominant thinkers who helped mold the characteristics and habits, as you call them, of Catholics prior to 1960.
Frank Sheed is another good source.

Keep in mind Catholics in the decades prior to VII were totally united to their bishops. Be cautious about contemporary books or websites that say they want to restore, or tap into the tremendous reservoir of wisdom and lived experience prior to VII, but are filled with attacks on bishops. This is faux restoration.
 
They most certainly are. 👍
Thank you for confirming. The first time I heard about a Tridentine parish in my area when I was studying different liturgical traditions it was an FSSP church. I knew the SSPX was schismatic/sedevacantic as are the Willing Shepherds of Jesus Christ but I wasn’t sure about the FSSP.

Probably explains why the bishop who appears to have officiated a recent Confirmation ceremony at the parish in question looked a lot like the Archbishop of San Francisco (despite the church being in a different diocese). It very likely was the Archbishop of San Francisco 😉
 
Thank you for confirming. The first time I heard about a Tridentine parish in my area when I was studying different liturgical traditions it was an FSSP church. I knew the SSPX was schismatic/sedevacantic as are the Willing Shepherds of Jesus Christ but I wasn’t sure about the FSSP.

Probably explains why the bishop who appears to have officiated a recent Confirmation ceremony at the parish in question looked a lot like the Archbishop of San Francisco (despite the church being in a different diocese). It very likely was the Archbishop of San Francisco 😉
Yes, Archbishop Salvatore Cordileone is the one you speak of:thumbsup: He is the Archbishop of San Francisco. He has officiated Confirmations for the Priestly Fraternity of Saint Peter= FSSP
The FSSP is in Communion with ROME, the Magisterium & the Holy Father :).

This has taken place at several different places, but you probably saw him at Saint Anne’s in San Diego (FSSP) California.

There is another FSSP parish in Sacramento as well.

The FSSP was established by Saint John Paul II (Pope from 1978-2005).

God bless,

+PAX:highprayer:
 
I knew the SSPX was schismatic/sedevacantic
I wouldn’t go that far. Not in total union (yet) but the Pope has allowed the SSPX priests to hear confessions and absolve sins legally beginning on Dec. 8th, at least temporarily.
 
The ICRSS (Institute of Christ the King) priests are also in full communion with the Pope. Many have restored old Churches, including the one which burned down in Chicago last month. Restoration AFAIK has commenced again.
 
Thanks. This is very helpful.m there is a lot of alphabet soup though! FSSP, EF, NO, ICRSS…

I appreciate your help. Srfnolen
 
Thanks. This is very helpful.m there is a lot of alphabet soup though! FSSP, EF, NO, ICRSS…

I appreciate your help. Srfnolen
And Pro Vobis referred to AFAIK. I’ve attended their services myself.
 
I get the impression that you are asking about other religious acts and practices, out side of the Mass. I note that many people no longer genuflect on both knees during exposition or don’t make the sign of the cross passing a church. Is that part of your question
 
No, mostly in the Mass. Examples: some keep eyes on Host while others (a more mature group:)) bow; head coverings, to name a few.

srfnolen
 
I am a new Catholic. Catholics 60+ in my parish exhibit certain characteristics and Catholic habits that I find very intriguing and beautiful really.

If I wanted to know what Catholic life was like before Vatican II what books would I read or websites would I visit? As a beginner Catholic I would like to see the differences.

srfnolen
The people of my age group attended the Latin Mass throughout their lives up to the changes imposed after Vatican II. It is still very bewildering to me as to why all these changes came about. Some of the “characteristics and habits” you mention are actually acts of reverence that we have carried over to the New Mass. Genuflection upon entering and exiting the pew in church are do to the reverence we have for the Blessed Sacrament in the Tabernacle. Much as one would kneel and/or bow when meeting a Queen or King. BTW genuflection is when one kneels on one knee, and kneeling refers to going down on both knees.

We also genuflected whenever we passed by the Tabernacle in reverence.

When we prayed the Sanctus, or Holy, Holy, Holy Lord, we kneeled again in reverence and adoration as we were praying in the company of all the angels and saints. I don’t imagine all the angels and saints were standing before the throne of God. We continued to kneel as we prayed “Lamb of God, Who takest away the sins of the world, have mercy on us” and we struck our breast with our right hand as we were praying in supplication for mercy.

There was no Sign of Peace in the Latin Mass so the people were not required to turn their backs on Christ truly present on the altar after the Consecration. There were long lines of people going to Confession on a Saturday afternoon as we knew we could not and must not receive Communion with mortal sins on our soul. The Act of Contrition was said immediately after receiving absolution. Penance was said in the church right after confession.

Everyone received Communion kneeling at the altar rail on the tongue. The Church taught at that time that for anyone to touch the Sacred Host with their unconsecrated hands was a blasphemy. Even if the Host fell on the floor we were instructed not to pick it up but leave it for the priest to remove it.

We had Novenas in the churches to various saints and to the Blessed Mother with beautiful prayers and sacred hymns. Very few churches today have novenas I’m sorry to say.

Most of us kept statues of the Blessed Mother, the Sacred Heart or a favorite saint in our homes. We lighted candles and offered prayers in front of the statues, not to the statues themselves, but to the saints they represented.

Children attending Catholic schools learned Latin and learned to sing the responses to the prayers at Mass in Latin. Latin is not very difficult to learn if we put our minds to it.

Many things changed after Vatican II, not all for the better I must say.
 
No, mostly in the Mass. Examples: some keep eyes on Host while others (a more mature group:)) bow; head coverings, to name a few.

srfnolen
Traditionally you look up to the host and chalice at the elevation.
 
I am a new Catholic. Catholics 60+ in my parish exhibit certain characteristics and Catholic habits that I find very intriguing and beautiful really.

If I wanted to know what Catholic life was like before Vatican II what books would I read or websites would I visit? As a beginner Catholic I would like to see the differences.

srfnolen
I’ve enclosed a link to Ignatius Press who have a great selection of Catholic books. I’m sure you will find several that will help.ignatius.com/
 
One thing that stands out is the quiet at Mass in the old days. People were not usually talking and laughing during Mass.
Babies and very young children were often left home with one parent while the other parent went to Mass alone or with older children.
Women and girls did not have a function in the altar area at all - no altar girls, no readers.
Another thing that happened back then and I’m not sure is even done now at the Tridentine Masses today: There was a sort of white cloth attached to the altar rail on a metal rail inside. At some point before communion, the altar boys would flip the cloth over to cover the altar rail like creating a tablecloth for the altar rail.
 
Another thing that happened back then and I’m not sure is even done now at the Tridentine Masses today: There was a sort of white cloth attached to the altar rail on a metal rail inside. At some point before communion, the altar boys would flip the cloth over to cover the altar rail like creating a tablecloth for the altar rail.
I’ve only seen some churches with the altar cloth. St. John Cantius is one of them. One is supposed to have his hands under the cloth when receiving, unless he wants to keep them on his side. Rules aren’t strict on this, however.
 
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