The Catholic Faith is not biased only on scripture that is true, however there are NO CONFLICTS with scripture in the Catholic faith. It is scripture based, it is tradition based, because sola scriptura is also non biblical, Christ did not found a book he founded a church. For instance, find in the Bible where it says what books should be in the bible. As a Catholic I don’t have to ignore parts of the Bible that conflict with my faith because there are none
If you want an honest discussion, please answer brother:
Firstly, how do you know who’s not saved? What verse tells you that someone is in hell?
What we are discussion here is the doctrine of propitiation. Did Christ actually propitiate or made a payment for sin at Calvary? This has nothing to do with John Calvin. This is basic cross theology. What happened at the cross, or what did Jesus accomplish in regards to sin. If Christ paid for sins at the cross, then those sins are forgiven since payment has been made on our behalf. The world propitiation is a biblical word. Did God pour out His wrath on Christ who suffered for our sins?
Can you please give me your understanding of the biblical word “propitiation” as it applies to Jesus Christ at Calvary? Jesus Christ and Him crucified for sinners, bringing peace and reconciliation for fallen mankind is the central theme in Scripture. This has nothing to do with predestination or free will; rather, this is about the centrality of the gospel of God.
You are confusing “redemption” with “salvation”. Christ’s suffering and death paid the price for our sins, you are correct. But that is not salvation. Christ’s redemption made it possible for all men to enter the kingdom of heaven. But it requires a response (repentence, belief, submission, etc.) on our part before salvation is realized. No response, no salvation, regardless of Christ’s redemption.
I could cook a feast for my family, enough for every one of them - and neighbors too. But only those who come to the table will receive food.
Can we agree that Luther taught predestination in greater force than John Calvin. Is Augustine and his view of predestantion the black sheep in the Catholic Church on these issues? Do you think modern day Catholics lean more toward Pelagius or Augustine?
No, because I’ve never considered the question and would be lacking the knowledge on this subject required to give an answer. Not to mention I don’t really care who taught it with greater force.
Pelagianism is a heresy. No, I don’t think modern day Catholics lean toward Pelagius’ heretical views. Does that mean we don’t believe in free will because Pelagius believed in free will? Of course not.
Yay I’m still learning about the Liturgy, with all the bells and whistles and often find myself when understanding another small part of it going “ohhh shiny” and doing my snoopy dance over just how amazing Christ is, and through him his church.
Catholics believe in a type of “age of accountability”. We understand from the Apostles that the severity of a sin is, in part, determined by the individuals understanding that what they did was wrong, and how wrong it is. Intention also counts.
