Preferred Seating in a Church?

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I prefer unpadded pews with padded kneelers. I think the polished hardwood of the pews is very esthetically pleasing. They really make a church feel like a church.

My own parish recently replaced our old pews and floors. The floors are a lovely earth-tone tile, but unfortunately they replaced the unpadded pews with padded ones. I think they really detract from the overall look of the church. Not to mention they are already stained and (obviously) hard to clean.
 
The little parish that I attend once in a while, has pews that were constructed by the founding parishioners, some 90 years ago. The backs are straight up and down, perpendicular to the bench, which is flat. The kneelers have recently added padding, but are too close to the bench, so that when you stand, you’re almost forced to bend your legs, as your shins press against the kneeler, while the backs of your legs press against the edge of the bench.

Every one says that attending Mass at this parish is an act of penance.

The best built church I’ve ever attended, is a modern construction. St. Ann’s in Marietta, GA. The seats are comfortably padded and they sit in a semi-circle around the altar. Everyone has a good view of the altar.

Jim
 
The best built church I’ve ever attended, is a modern construction. St. Ann’s in Marietta, GA. The seats are comfortably padded and they sit in a semi-circle around the altar. Everyone has a good view of the altar.

Jim
If I wanted “theatre in the round” I could go to Pheasant Run in suburban Oakbrook. 😛
 
I go to an unremodeled church built in the early 1920s. We have wooden pews that have probably been there as long as the church. The kneelers are padded, but they are still intact and (name removed by moderator)lace.

As a side note and this may be one of my idiosyncracies but I prefer churches not to be carpeted. My parish has tiled and hard wood floors.

ChadS
Same here. I think about 3/4 of the pews are original (the cornerstone of our parish church was laid in 1929) although I imagine the kneelers have been refurbished with new pads. The rest of the pews date from the late 60s and are not as ornate, but are still unpadded wood with padded kneelers. I’ve never belonged to a parish that did not have this type of seating.

Our parish has tiled floors. I also prefer hard floors to carpet.
 
Unpadded pews with padded kneeler. Those padded kneelers are a must!

We attend a TLM once a month here in Germany with the worst unpadded kneelers ever! I have marks on my knees for at least two days afterwards. By the end of the mass, I’m in contortions trying to avoid kneeling on the worst sore parts of my knees.

As far as padded pews, I don’t mind a removable cushion on the seat, but I’m not really into the deluxe padded model. Wood is much easier to keep clean. For that reason, I prefer kneelers to be padded with leather or leather-look vinyl.
 
Unpadded pews with padded kneelers. How can you slide over and let someone into the pew if it’s got an upholstered cushion on it?

A local hospital chapel was remodeled a few years ago, and they added padding to the existing pews. In addition to no longer being slippery (in a good way), the height was thrown off by the added thickness of the padding.

Not to mention what padding and fabric does to acoustics.

Betsy
 
Unpadded pews with padded kneelers. How can you slide over and let someone into the pew if it’s got an upholstered cushion on it?

A local hospital chapel was remodeled a few years ago, and they added padding to the existing pews. In addition to no longer being slippery (in a good way), the height was thrown off by the added thickness of the padding.

Not to mention what padding and fabric does to acoustics.

Betsy
That’s why we have microphones now LOL
 
I like my unpadded pews with my padded kneelers. I also like having short pews and short kneelers, so that if my neighbor doesn’t want to kneel during the consecration, I still can, without inconveniencing him. 🙂
 
*Originally Posted by ChadS
I go to an unremodeled church built in the early 1920s. We have wooden pews that have probably been there as long as the church. The kneelers are padded, but they are still intact and (name removed by moderator)lace.

As a side note and this may be one of my idiosyncracies but I prefer churches not to be carpeted. My parish has tiled and hard wood floors.*

**The reason older churches were not carpeted was for acoustic purposes regarding music and singing. **
 
No pews whatsoever, but a few seats along the wall for the old and infirm (such as myself).
 
*Originally Posted by ChadS
I go to an unremodeled church built in the early 1920s. We have wooden pews that have probably been there as long as the church. The kneelers are padded, but they are still intact and (name removed by moderator)lace.

As a side note and this may be one of my idiosyncracies but I prefer churches not to be carpeted. My parish has tiled and hard wood floors.*

**The reason older churches were not carpeted was for acoustic purposes regarding music and singing. **
Good idea. What’s the point in having padded pews, w/w carpeting, pressed seaweed on the walls, and acoustical (actually anacoustical) tiles on the ceiling–all of which sop up the sound, and then pay a fortune in electronics (and the added light bill) to put the sound back in?
 
I vote for unpadded pews and padded kneelers. When pews have padding on them, it destroys the acoustics of the church just like carpet does. Also, like carpet, the padding will eventually worn and dirty and will cost more money to replace. I personally find unpadded pews more comfortable, but I wish that American churches would install pews like those in Germany that have a flat top to rest your missal on. Pews should be spaced far enough apart so that us taller people don’t kick the kneelers behind us, and the kneeler in front of us should be far enough from the back of the next pew that those of us who aren’t gifted with a flat stomach can comfortably kneel upright.
The church I grew up in still has the original pews from around the 1920"s, I think. When I visited it a few years ago I remarked at how cramped it was to my mother. She replied “People were smaller then.”

I voted “padded pews with padded kneelers” because I have no “behind” and my tailbone gets very sore sitting on wooden chairs and pews, and my knees aren’t what they used to be. Thank goodness my church has both padded pews and kneelers.
 
Seating is not an issue as long as there is backing.

Kneelers, on the other hand, is an issue. With bad knees, I prefer padding.
 
I am conflicted between unpadded pews w/ padded kneelers and no seating.

Early Chirstians didnt have seats, many Eastern Catholic and Orthodox dont have seats. They stood/stand most of the Mass, knelt at the perscribed times (if any depending on the liturgy), laid prostrate if perscribed for that particular liturgy, and bowed at the appropriate times.

But i definetly think if you have pews they should be pews not chairs, and moreover they should not be padded(neither should the Priest’s chair). We are not their to lounge in God’s presence, we do enough lounging in front of the boob tube. We are there to worship God if that means a little discomfert we should be able to live with that.

Pax
 
I am conflicted between unpadded pews w/ padded kneelers and no seating.

Early Chirstians didnt have seats, many Eastern Catholic and Orthodox dont have seats. They stood/stand most of the Mass, knelt at the perscribed times (if any depending on the liturgy), laid prostrate if perscribed for that particular liturgy, and bowed at the appropriate times.

But i definetly think if you have pews they should be pews not chairs, and moreover they should not be padded(neither should the Priest’s chair). We are not their to lounge in God’s presence, we do enough lounging in front of the boob tube. We are there to worship God if that means a little discomfert we should be able to live with that.

Pax
We are not talking a little discomfort here, we are talking about actual pain, which can interefere with someone’s worship and activities of daily living. We should not be quick to judge others who prefere a little padding. I see from your profile that you are only 19 and have probably not yet experienced the ravages of arthritis and other bone and joint problems, including back problems. No one can actually experience another’s pain.
 
I can’t focus when I am in pain. My lower back hurts if I can’t lean it against the pew while kneelng, individual chairs don’t allow for that because they move and make noise. Padded kneelers are a must.
 
I understand your need for cushions etc. But for your average teen to person in their 30s and 40s you dont need a cushion. For those people who need something bring a seat cushion, or ask the priest if you can keep some in a closet in the Church.

At my church people who need them bring cushions. I have gone to churches where if you need one they have cushions in the closet specifically for people who cannot sit on a hard pew for an hour and a half.

I am not trying to be uncharitable, I’m sorry if I am coming off that way. I just am tired of things like what happened at my old parish. Where people like my dad were thrilled with the cushioned pews and promptly fell asleep thanks to the added comfert. For your average parishioner padding on the pews does nothing to help your worship exprience, it in fact is a hindrence. Now if you have a medical condition then no padding is then a hindrence, and I understand that. My mom on her bad days needs a cushion at church, right now she is not to the point where she would most sundays but there are quite a few sundays where church is a real pain in the rump, litterally.

Again I am sorry if I sounded harsh or uncharitable. I was just speaking out of frustration.
But, I think you could agree with me that installing cushions on the pews just because some people want to be more comfertable is dumb, if they can stand an hour on a pew. But it is a different story when someone needs it lest they be in horrible pain.
 
I understand your need for cushions etc. But for your average teen to person in their 30s and 40s you dont need a cushion. For those people who need something bring a seat cushion, or ask the priest if you can keep some in a closet in the Church.

At my church people who need them bring cushions. I have gone to churches where if you need one they have cushions in the closet specifically for people who cannot sit on a hard pew for an hour and a half.

I am not trying to be uncharitable, I’m sorry if I am coming off that way. I just am tired of things like what happened at my old parish. Where people like my dad were thrilled with the cushioned pews and promptly fell asleep thanks to the added comfert. For your average parishioner padding on the pews does nothing to help your worship exprience, it in fact is a hindrence. Now if you have a medical condition then no padding is then a hindrence, and I understand that. My mom on her bad days needs a cushion at church, right now she is not to the point where she would most sundays but there are quite a few sundays where church is a real pain in the rump, litterally.

Again I am sorry if I sounded harsh or uncharitable. I was just speaking out of frustration.
But, I think you could agree with me that installing cushions on the pews just because some people want to be more comfertable is dumb, if they can stand an hour on a pew. But it is a different story when someone needs it lest they be in horrible pain.
I don’t agree that teens and people in their 30s and 40s are often not in pain. My kids were both figure skaters, and they grew up in pain! I’m serious. My older daughter cracked her hipbone when she was about 14, and spent a year in pain. My younger daughter has always had pain in her knees and back.

And lots of teenagers, especially athletes, have knee or back problems. It’s not just limited to the old. There are even teenagers that have arthritis. And there are teens that have other unseen disabilities that cause pain; .e.g, diabetes, menstrual cramping (my girls cried, it was so bad), deep vein thrombosis, etc.

And of course, there are many obese teenagers and people of all ages that I think would be in pain if they had to stand–please don’t say, “Well, they should just lose weight!” Easier said than done.

I know, I know–a lot of people will say, “Teens are falling apart! My generation was healthy.” Well, bully for you. It’s not your generation any more.

One other thought–it’s not just old people and people in pain who need pews. I would not come to church if I were a young mother with a baby (especially a nursing baby) and probably a few toddlers, and I had to stand up. Uh, UH! That’s cruel.

And starting in my 30s, my knees were chronically painful. And I knew many, MANY young women who had back problems–in fact, one of our 20-something students at the hospital was in a terrible crash a few years ago, has undergone multiple surgeries, and has rods in her back. (She also has to go the bathroom often due to lack of bladder control, so there ARE legitimate reasons why young people have to rush out of the sanctuary!)

We SHOULD NOT JUDGE others! We can’t always see the physical disabilities that others suffer. Just because someone looks capable of standing for an hour, or kneeling on a hard floor doesn’t mean that they really can do this.

If you are healthy and strong, thank the Lord and enjoy it while you can. The time may come, often unexpectedly, when you will no longer be able to do simple things like stand or kneel. Then you will appreciate it if others treat you with mercy and empathy, rather than accusing you of being a spiritual slacker.

Here is my suggestion for those who wish to experience a “self-denying” Mass. There is probably a place in the sanctuary where you can stand instead of sit, and kneel on an unpadded surface. Find it.

Perhaps churches could be built with a few “monk’s sections,” for those who prefer pain over comfort for their own spiritual edification. I’m serious about this, not joking.
 
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