Preist wrong? Pornography etc

[YoungCatholic21]

Thank you for an excellent post that reminds me what life is really about. The author demonstrates that Christ will be with His Church until the End of Time.

Many Blessings,
BP

You are welcome. God is with us. Fear not the world, but the Lord’s just punishment. Always keep your heart open to God’s Mercy and you shall never truly fall.

For as long as we are penitent, as long as we are sorry, Christ forgives us.
God have mercy on that priest, for when he lies to you, he reveals a sad, possible truth of himself, that he himself may struggle with impurities.

We must pray that God forgive the sinners who occupy Church positions, for priests to be holy and virtuous. The world truly wants God. Pray Him to send holy priests.

The Sorrowful and Immaculate Mother Virgin Mary has been entrusted with the treasury of God’s graces according to prayer. Our Lady of Fatima says so. Pray the holy Rosary for the priest. Pray the holy Rosary for yourself and your family. Do not forget to encourage others to holiness.

The 15 promises of the Holy Rosary are universal truths given to us by God through the Blessed and Immaculate Virgin Mary:

Whoever shall faithfully serve Me by the recitation of the Rosary, shall receive signal graces.


I promise My special protection and the greatest graces to all who shall recite the Rosary.

The Rosary shall be a powerful armor against hell, it will destroy vice, decrease sin, and defeat heresies.

It will cause virtue and good works to flourish; it will obtain for souls the abundant mercy of God; it will withdraw the hearts of men from the love of the world and its vanities, and will lift them to the desire of eternal things. Oh, that souls would sanctify themselves by this means.

The soul which recommends itself to Me by the recitation of the Rosary, shall not perish.

Whoever shall recite the Rosary devoutly, applying himself to the consideration of its sacred mysteries, shall never be conquered by misfortune. God will not chastise him in His justice, he shall not perish by an unprovided death; if he be just he shall remain in the grace of God, and become worthy of eternal life.

Whoever shall have a true devotion for the Rosary shall not die without the Sacraments of the Church.

Those who are faithful in reciting the Rosary shall have during their life and at their death the light of God and the plenitude of His graces; at the moment of death they shall participate in the merits of the saints in paradise.

I shall deliver from purgatory, those who have been devoted to the Rosary.

The faithful children of the Rosary shall merit a high degree of glory in Heaven.

You shall obtain all you ask of Me by the recitation of the Rosary.

All those who propagate the holy Rosary shall be aided by Me in their necessities.

I have obtained from My Divine Son, that all the advocates of the Rosary shall have for intercessors, the entire celestial court during their life and at the hour of death.

All who recite the Rosary are My sons, and brothers of My only son Jesus Christ.

Devotion to My Rosary is a great sign of predestination.

God bless you.

And May the Peace of Christ be with you.

 

[PaladinSword]

You are welcome. God is with us. Fear not the world, but the Lord’s just punishment. Always keep your heart open to God’s Mercy and you shall never truly fall.

For as long as we are penitent, as long as we are sorry, Christ forgives us.
God have mercy on that priest, for when he lies to you, he reveals a sad, possible truth of himself, that he himself may struggle with impurities.

We must pray that God forgive the sinners who occupy Church positions, for priests to be holy and virtuous. The world truly wants God. Pray Him to send holy priests.

The Sorrowful and Immaculate Mother Virgin Mary has been entrusted with the treasury of God’s graces according to prayer. Our Lady of Fatima says so. Pray the holy Rosary for the priest. Pray the holy Rosary for yourself and your family. Do not forget to encourage others to holiness.

The 15 promises of the Holy Rosary are universal truths given to us by God through the Blessed and Immaculate Virgin Mary:

Whoever shall faithfully serve Me by the recitation of the Rosary, shall receive signal graces.


I promise My special protection and the greatest graces to all who shall recite the Rosary.

The Rosary shall be a powerful armor against hell, it will destroy vice, decrease sin, and defeat heresies.

It will cause virtue and good works to flourish; it will obtain for souls the abundant mercy of God; it will withdraw the hearts of men from the love of the world and its vanities, and will lift them to the desire of eternal things. Oh, that souls would sanctify themselves by this means.

The soul which recommends itself to Me by the recitation of the Rosary, shall not perish.

Whoever shall recite the Rosary devoutly, applying himself to the consideration of its sacred mysteries, shall never be conquered by misfortune. God will not chastise him in His justice, he shall not perish by an unprovided death; if he be just he shall remain in the grace of God, and become worthy of eternal life.

Whoever shall have a true devotion for the Rosary shall not die without the Sacraments of the Church.

Those who are faithful in reciting the Rosary shall have during their life and at their death the light of God and the plenitude of His graces; at the moment of death they shall participate in the merits of the saints in paradise.

I shall deliver from purgatory, those who have been devoted to the Rosary.

The faithful children of the Rosary shall merit a high degree of glory in Heaven.

You shall obtain all you ask of Me by the recitation of the Rosary.

All those who propagate the holy Rosary shall be aided by Me in their necessities.

I have obtained from My Divine Son, that all the advocates of the Rosary shall have for intercessors, the entire celestial court during their life and at the hour of death.

All who recite the Rosary are My sons, and brothers of My only son Jesus Christ.

Devotion to My Rosary is a great sign of predestination.

God bless you.

And May the Peace of Christ be with you.

Thanks bro. Sorry this thread is kind of dying but I suppose it’s made it’s point.

 

[CBinNY]

I would go back to the first confessor. I had a priest tell me something similar in the early 90’s, that Vatican II changed that rule about masturbation, sex is an expression of love so it’s okay. It help lead me down a bad path, I let other things go until I stopped going to mass. It took years but I came back. Follow what the Catechism says a just keep confessing it while trying to stop. What helped me was that I wanted Jesus more than anything else. Surrender your entire life to him. Everything. When you fail and you will just confess and keep going.

 

[annamargaretmar]

Return to your original confessor. Do mention the above to him while you are there. There’s a real problem when a lay person can discern what’s a sin and what is not and the priest can’t. And you are right, he is leading people astray. This is very sad.

Great response and I will pray for that priest.

 

[Mary_Ellen]

PJ,

My confessor is like going to a kangaroo court room. Although its behind “the curtain” which in the begining I thought would make it easier.

He doesnt throw out a couple of haily Marys and your out of there. You get a lecture and things to do to help prevent it from happening again. Then you have to report back to him on how things are going.

When I have to go to another confessor where the priest just hands out hail Marys and Our Fathers and your on your way I feel guilty like I got off easy.

Do most of us typically find ourselves confessing the same type of sins?

I do.

Having to report back to your confessor doesn’t sound right to me, for some reason.
It does sound more like a spiritual director relationship - which isn’t bad or wrong, just a little detailed and intimate for the confessional.

Most of the time, in my parish, the priests “hand out” a few prayers for penances. Sometimes a penance involves more thought and action but those are few and far between.

And, yes, I do end up confessing the same or very similar sins week after week. I struggle with Pride and the 1st Commandment especially.

 

[AlanFromWichita]

Having to report back to your confessor doesn’t sound right to me, for some reason.
It does sound more like a spiritual director relationship - which isn’t bad or wrong, just a little detailed and intimate for the confessional.

Most of the time, in my parish, the priests “hand out” a few prayers for penances. Sometimes a penance involves more thought and action but those are few and far between.

And, yes, I do end up confessing the same or very similar sins week after week. I struggle with Pride and the 1st Commandment especially.

I agree. For a spiritual director, that’s fine.

But for a confessor, it’s different. The sacrament is supposed to chronicle God’s removal of the sin – and putting it as far from us as the east is from the west. “Report back to me” forces us to continue to be mindful of the sin. I think those two sentiments are mutually exclusive.

I’d be tempted to ask the priest if he would be my spiritual director, and when would be a good next time to meet. If he says “no,” I’d say, “oh, I’m sorry,” in the manner of a person who has just been teased with something he didn’t intend to follow through on. If he says, “yes,” then you have yourself a director!

Alan

 

[ChicagoBearsFan]

The Knight is wrong. They are both mortal sins. When in doubt go by the catechism.

 

[samson1]

I remember being in line for a confession, and looking over a confession pamphlet. Not that there is any doubt, but masturbation and pornography were specifically mentioned as mortal sins.

 

[Irishgal49]

So I have a regular confessor and I was under the impression that masturbation and pornography are grievous matters and potential mortal sins and should be confessed before receiving the Eucharist. Now a friend in the KofC suggested I call a different priest and talk to him and he says that the above offenses are not mortal sins and that I should thank God for sexuality and mentioned St Augustine’s sexual escapades. I always thought the saint repented of those ways when he converted. My heart was telling me that this new priest was wrong and leading me astray. I’ve read the catechism and know what it says about these vices. I know there is a varying degree of culpability which I have yet to really discuss with my confessor. I’ve been telling myself that it is a potentially mortal sin which must be confessed. I have read on other Catholic websites that even if these things are committed not to abstain from the Eucharist, which i thought was wrong as well. What is it with all this stuff going on in the Church? Any thoughts?

Well sometimes it may not be a mortal sin. The Catechism of the Church says that certain addictions, impairments, and illness may lessen the severity of what someone is doing. I have been sexually abused and also suffer with scrupilosity. I received specific instruction in my case to continue to receive communion unless–and then he gave me the unless. So just hearing someone say a priest made a call that sounds wrong may not take into account what the priest heard, felt, or what God said to his heart to put out there.

People who are overly legalistic/scrupulous suffer with a mental disorder and will become very angry if a priest detects this and contradicts their obsession that everything is a sin. Trust God to work through the priest and don’t condemn him on a public forum without information. There are many reasons (addiction, etc) a priest might say that. I don’t think it’s our place to make those judgements.

 

[m134e5]

So I have a regular confessor and I was under the impression that masturbation and pornography are grievous matters and potential mortal sins and should be confessed before receiving the Eucharist. Now a friend in the KofC suggested I call a different priest and talk to him and he says that the above offenses are not mortal sins and that I should thank God for sexuality and mentioned St Augustine’s sexual escapades. I always thought the saint repented of those ways when he converted. My heart was telling me that this new priest was wrong and leading me astray. I’ve read the catechism and know what it says about these vices. I know there is a varying degree of culpability which I have yet to really discuss with my confessor. I’ve been telling myself that it is a potentially mortal sin which must be confessed. I have read on other Catholic websites that even if these things are committed not to abstain from the Eucharist, which i thought was wrong as well. What is it with all this stuff going on in the Church? Any thoughts?

I’m afraid your friend is mistaken, and that the priest who he recommended is even more mistaken. Pornography and masturbation are grave matter and when the other two conditions for mortal sin are met, are mortally sinful. Saint Augustine repented of his sins when he converted (that’s what conversion is, after all) and continued to repent even though he struggled. You should confess these sins any time you fall into them. Unfortunately there has been a lot of horrible catechesis in the Church over the last 50 years or so, and it seems your friend and that priest are products of it.