Preistly Ceibacy

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palmas85:
I can appreciate the difference in the Eastern and Roman traditions. I still believe however that the primary issue is indeed sexual vs married and unmarried clergy. The question had to do with celibacy. I don’t recall that it had anything at all to do with being married or unmarried. But since the issue of marriage came up I will give my view on it.

Since the Roman Rite does not have married priests, the Priests are supposed to remain celibate, as are religious brothers and sisters. When and if Rome changes the policy, for lack of a better word, then Married priests will be OK.

However, such a policy change could have extremely wide ranging and possibly catestrophic effects. For instance, the stipend that Priests currently receive would have to be increased greatly, housing would have to be provided or the pay increased even more. Family concerns would quite naturally occupy a lot of the Priests time. Since the Priest now has two distinct loyalties, one to the Church and the other to his family, which will take priority? How about health care for the family, education etc. True these concern everybody else, but Priests aren’t just everybody else either.

And yes, Protestant churches do it all the time, but since they are basically set up as independent churches under an umbrella, each Church can pay its’ own pastor. Each church itself, through its’ board of trustees or whatever, solicits applications, interviews, selects and hires its’ pastor. That is of course not true for the pastor who sets up his own church. The living expenses of the pastor and his family if there is one is then paid by the individual church. Someting like that arrangement might work for married Clergy in the Roman Catholic Church as well. However ,that would probably entail separating the individual Church from the direct control of the Bishop, at least as far as finances and hiring the Priests are concerned. And since the Bishop has no say in hiring his Priests his influence would be minimal at best. In essence, it would seem that this scenario could lead to difficulties with Apostolic Tradition, and would lead to the Roman Catholic Church to become a group of independent chuches.

I am not well versed in the eastern Churches, so if i am wrong please correct me. They don’t allow a man to marry once he has received Holy Orders, and their Bishops must be unmarried. So even the eastern Church has some reservations about the role of married men in the clergy. And I would have to imagine that the married men admitted to Holy Orders are very well screened indeed to determine if they can handle the l stress of maintaining a family in addition to ministering to a congregation.

No, I think the prohibition on married clergy is quite sensible at least for now. As far as the celibacy issue, which was the original question my opinion is the same.

Stay celibate.
Well, actuall, that is not entirely accurate, as the Latin, or Roman rite does have a married clergy; they are all, however, from Protestant conversions of ministers.

I fail to see that a Protestant minister convert will make a better priest than a convert who then marriews (would not be ordained), or a cradle Catholic who marries (would not then be ordained). It seems to be extremely odd that one has a calling and the others don’t. However, the Church doesn’t actually say the others don’t; it just says it will not ordain them.
So the Church is inconsistent. I see nothing wrong with a married clergy alongside a celibate clergy. I also believe that the bishops who have a married clergy whould use them in parishes rather than hiding them in chanceries (where they usually are); I think that the way our diocese handles it is more oopen and honest; he is head of a parish.
 
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GregoryPalamas:
Priest should not be celibate if they are married. The RCs now have about 200 in the US and the Eastern Catholics should have several more than they have, which is none.

Dan L
Again, I think you are confusing the terms ceilibacy and chastity.

If a priest is married, he obviously should not be cleibate, because that means unmarried.

However, if a priest is married, he most certainly should be chaste, as that means right relationship. So should an unmarried priest be chaste.

Being chaste does not mean having no sexual intercourse. Being cleibate does mean that.
 
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ByzCath:
Really Dan? I can say for a fact that you are wrong.

The Eastern Catholics do have some. Now I will agree that we should have more but we do not have “none”.

I would have to say the greatest Divine Liturgy I attended was presided over by a guest priest. Our pastor concelebrated. The priest was visiting to Baptized, Chrismate, and give First Eucharist to his granddaughter.
There are Eastern Catholic priests who are married. You are correct. I stand corrected. I was thing BC and typed EC. We do have a couple of married seminarians thus far. We shall see if the BCs in the US will eventually ordain them. I did hear of a rumor of a BC priest who is married but it hasn’t been confirmed to me yet.

Dan L
 
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otm:
Again, I think you are confusing the terms ceilibacy and chastity.

If a priest is married, he obviously should not be cleibate, because that means unmarried.

However, if a priest is married, he most certainly should be chaste, as that means right relationship. So should an unmarried priest be chaste.

Being chaste does not mean having no sexual intercourse. Being cleibate does mean that.
I wrote with tongue in cheek.

Dan L
 
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GregoryPalamas:
. I did hear of a rumor of a BC priest who is married but it hasn’t been confirmed to me yet
Yes, there are married Byzantine Catholic priests in the US.:yup:

There is one in the Ruthenian Rite Diocese of Parma. :yup:

Bishop Kudrick even ordained another married priest in Rome last September and this married priest is expected in Cleveland in July.:clapping:

There are also a number of Ukrainian Rite married priests including the former deacon for Archbishop Procyk, of blessed memory, who’s father is a Ukrainian priest serving a parish in an Mid-Atlantic state.:clapping:
 
Ric said:

Hmm - married RC Priests hmmmmmm I doubt it very very much 😦

Married – yes

Roman Catholic – yes - technically

Priests - you would need to ask each one individually if he holds Faculties from the local Ordinary - and I would then check with the chancellor of each Diocese myself , OK I have a suspicious mind.

Most , if not all , of these ‘priests’ were Latin Rite Priests but they are no longer active in the Priesthood for one reason or another - probably/possibly because they wished to have a relationship with a woman . I do not ask if they broke their promise of celibacy - that is between God and themselves .

Caveat emptor
 
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wannabee:
Hmm - married RC Priests hmmmmmm I doubt it very very much 😦

Married – yes

Roman Catholic – yes - technically

Priests - you would need to ask each one individually if he holds Faculties from the local Ordinary - and I would then check with the chancellor of each Diocese myself , OK I have a suspicious mind.

Most , if not all , of these ‘priests’ were Latin Rite Priests but they are no longer active in the Priesthood for one reason or another - probably/possibly because they wished to have a relationship with a woman . I do not ask if they broke their promise of celibacy - that is between God and themselves .

Caveat emptor
Be suspicious all you want but there are a number of married priests within the Roman Catholic Church today, they are converts from protestant denominations, mostly Lutherian and Anglican/Episcopal Churches.

That site the RIC linked to is just as you state though, Rentapriest is just that, priests who left to get married.

Once a priest is ordained he can not get married.
 
Agreed David - re your first paragraph.

However the question was about RentaPriest - so I did give the answer.

Actually I wonder how many folk have been fooled by them .
 
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wannabee:
Agreed David - re your first paragraph.

However the question was about RentaPriest - so I did give the answer.

Actually I wonder how many folk have been fooled by them .
Wannabee,
I think I may be one who has been fooled by them. (As a matter of fact, I started another thread on this forum so I can find out more about these “Rent-A-Priests”). I took a look at the link posted earlier and out of curiosity I selected the link for my state. I was shocked to find the name of the priest who is filling in for my pastor this week! The pastor said he was a retired priest who was an old friend of his. I thought it somewhat odd that he wasn’t all that old and seemed to be in good health.

At this point, I’m stunned. I think I need to ask my pastor about this when he gets back from vacation. How would you handle this? I want to contact the Diocese, but I don’t want to get my pastor in trouble before I know all of the facts. Is there a way I can find out if the priest is allowed to celebrate Mass?

Even though I firmly believe in celibacy for priests, I have no problem accepting the decision of the Magesterium. If they allow exceptions for converts, I’m fine with that. I do have a BIG problem with someone leaving the priesthood to get married and illicitly celebrating the sacraments.

God Bless,
Gary
 
The Priests might actually be friends, but your normal priest might not now of the other priest’s actions.
I would confront the Priest filling in and see what he has to said. Then I would also bring this up with your Pastor upon his return and alert the Diocese if this is true.
 
I do NOT think priests should be celibate…or celibit. 😃 As many of you have mentioned, there are married LR priests ordained today as converts from “compatible” Protestant religions. And by the way, unless a priest is laicised, he still has the disposition to celebrate Mass and sacraments under certain circumstances.
 
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