Premarital Sex

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PRmerger said:
“Besides the perverted aspects”–LOL!

That’s like saying “Do you think this relationship is holy, besides the fact that he locks me in a closet?”
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I’m not denying that sexual sins like homosexuality are perverted.
 
Sky_River said:
The sex never constituted marriage.
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I rebut that by saying unless a marriage is consummated it’s dissoluble.

Love, marriage, sex, all a package deal.

(Let me pre-empt with this: Mary and Joseph were in a category of their own. Any parents of the 2nd person of the Trinity don’t qualify for normal marital discussions) 🙂
 
PRmerger said:
Oh, well, maybe you can bring that to a discussion with that author who is not a representative of the CC’s teaching.
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What do you think of this?

creationliberty.com/articles/gaymarriage.php
Fighting against gay marriage is fighting against the conditions of the corporate business contract/license people have with the state. That contract/license was not created with God in mind, and as we discussed in the article on marriage, it is legally spelled out that it has nothing to do with any “god.” Why are Christians wasting so much of their time trying to get good fruit out of an evil tree?
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PRmerger said:
I think we should fight against gay “marriage” because its foundation is based on a lie.

Any society which functions on a lie is a society going down the wrong track.
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What about the specific quote where it says
“Fighting against gay marriage is fighting against the conditions of the corporate business contract/license people have with the state. That contract/license was not created with God in mind”

It’s not about homosexuality.
 
Sky_River said:
What about the specific quote where it says
“Fighting against gay marriage is fighting against the conditions of the corporate business contract/license people have with the state. That contract/license was not created with God in mind”

It’s not about homosexuality.
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It’s fighting against the lie that 2 people of the same gender can marry.

They cannot.
 
PRmerger said:
It’s fighting against the lie that 2 people of the same gender can marry.

They cannot.
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Suppose me and a same gender friend shared property and had a will with inheritance . Would that be wrong?

Is the ceremony causing it what the difference is?

I’m not grasping at straws, I just want things clearly defined.
 
Sky_River said:
Isn’t marriage about property shared? Divorces involve dividing assets, which is a type of property.

How would that not be a same sex marriage? A lack of a ceremony?
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Why would 2 people living together who aren’t engaged in sex, who don’t love each other romantically, but are friends who want to deed property to each other be a marriage?

 
Sky_River said:
Isn’t marriage about property shared? Divorces involve dividing assets, which is a type of property.

How would that not be a same sex marriage? A lack of a ceremony?
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Perhaps it would be helpful if you told us what marriage is.
 
goout said:
What is marriage?
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It seems nebulous to me.

Online it says legal, social, or religious union.

I was asking about the definition of marriage universally. Native Americans had a society without many of the things we have-assets, hospitals (part of marriage is visitation rights) -so what did getting married mean in their culture before the Europeans came?
 
Sky_River said:
It seems nebulous to me.

Online it says legal, social, or religious union.

I was asking about the definition of marriage universally. Native Americans had a society without many of the things we have-assets, hospitals (part of marriage is visitation rights) -so what did getting married mean in their culture before the Europeans came?
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Surely you have your own concept of marriage, yes?

What do you mean when you use the term marriage?
 
Sky_River said:
It seems nebulous to me.

Online it says legal, social, or religious union.

I was asking about the definition of marriage universally. Native Americans had a society without many of the things we have-assets, hospitals (part of marriage is visitation rights) -so what did getting married mean in their culture before the Europeans came?
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Right. “Society” has an ambiguous stance on marriage.
How do you, the person, define marriage?
 
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