Prenatal testing is making your right to abort a disabled child more like "your duty"

[kaymart]

StratusRose:

That is just terrible. It’s hard to believe that people can be so incompassionate. What gives them the right to say that your son is less than human because he lacks “normal” mental capacity? Have you spoken out about this? Like through newspaper interviews or letters to the editor?

No, I never have, but it sounds like a good idea, years ago I was made to feel ashamed, so I shyed away from it. Age and experience has made me a little stronger. But they have a way of talking that makes you feel that you are a “taker” and do not have a right to say a word. No matter what I say, the counter attack is stronger and meaner. Even though at this monment (he’s under 18 still) he gets no public help, but will be able to get it on his 18th birthday, next April. I’m getting nasty comments over this but after a certain age I will not have health insurance for him and I have to apply for Medicaid for him. (up until age 18, parents income come into it) And now the newest thing is when are you going to “put him away” so you can “get a job and get a life” (the people with the mean comments are mostly family members)

 

[Flopfoot]

I know it’s generally a good idea to avoid hostility, but you know what Kay, I reckon you’ve got a right to tell these people to rack off, even if they are your family. You know you made the right decision, we know you made the right decision, and so does God. So these other people have no right to put you down about it - and if it’s gotten to the point where you feel ashamed about it, then you’ve got to stand up for yourself (which it sounds like you do now anyway). You don’t even really need to explain yourself - it sounds like they don’t listen to you so why should you listen to them? Best to avoid these people so you can avoid all the negativity you get from them which you don’t deserve. I’ll pray for you and your son.

By the way, are your other children part of the people giving you trouble about your autistic son? I’m hoping that’s not the case, it would be hard to believe that they wished their borther didn’t exist. I’m just asking this because, they could help you with trying to explain to people that your autistic son is just as much a person as anyone. Some friends of mine have a family of 10 children, one of them has Down’s syndrome. Another one of them once wrote a letter to the editor of a local newspaper (which got published) about what it was like living with a brother with Downs syndrome and how she loved him and how he wasn’t really so different to anyone else.

 

[beckers]

kaymart:

I am one of those mothers that have been told my son should have never been born. For example: you have two perfect children a boy and a girl, you didn’t “need” to have him":ehh: Even following his birth I almost died, need an emergency hysteretomy right then and there, I was told “That perhaps this is God’s way of stopping you from bringing more children like this into the world” (this was a relative who said this) I have dealt with problems with school tax dollars wasted on my kid as opposed to their “perfect children” needing things. Also I have been told (he’s now 17) I should have him sterlized so he doesn’t reproduced:banghead: He is Autistic, (they hate touch) very developmentally delayed (around age 6)and mute. Although he is physically a man, he shows no desire whatsoever in girls, dating or anything of that kind. I am sick and tired of people thinking they can put there nose in my business because I had the nerve to give birth to a handicap child. P.S. although no test for Autism, I opted not to have an ammio because no matter what I would have the baby anyway.

GOD BLESS you following you heart and God’s Plan and not giving into soceity views. GOD BLESS YOU and your SON!!!

 

[kaymart]

Flopfoot:

I know it’s generally a good idea to avoid hostility, but you know what Kay, I reckon you’ve got a right to tell these people to rack off, even if they are your family. You know you made the right decision, we know you made the right decision, and so does God. So these other people have no right to put you down about it - and if it’s gotten to the point where you feel ashamed about it, then you’ve got to stand up for yourself (which it sounds like you do now anyway). You don’t even really need to explain yourself - it sounds like they don’t listen to you so why should you listen to them? Best to avoid these people so you can avoid all the negativity you get from them which you don’t deserve. I’ll pray for you and your son.

By the way, are your other children part of the people giving you trouble about your autistic son? I’m hoping that’s not the case, it would be hard to believe that they wished their borther didn’t exist. I’m just asking this because, they could help you with trying to explain to people that your autistic son is just as much a person as anyone. Some friends of mine have a family of 10 children, one of them has Down’s syndrome. Another one of them once wrote a letter to the editor of a local newspaper (which got published) about what it was like living with a brother with Downs syndrome and how she loved him and how he wasn’t really so different to anyone else.

As far as my other children, they are very wonderful and loving with their little brother. In fact my daughter (age 27) has just given birth to her 3rd child (Sept. 14) and has been getting constant remarks from the Medical profession (while pregnant each time) and her in-laws concerning her possibility of having a child like her brother (so far, none of the children have any problems) The relatives are a brother, a sister, and some their spouses and a few cousins (all my side )

 

[leaner]

Watch the movie “Gattica” – when it came out, I told DH, this movie frightens me, b/c I see it happening. He thought I was nuts, until he got the handout for the AFP test…and it offered the option (tho the gov’t will not pay for it thank Goodness) of aborting an “abnormal fetus” – now he’s not so “don’t be all doom and gloom” as he used to be…

 

[Traditional_Ang]

kaymart:

I am one of those mothers that have been told my son should have never been born. For example: you have two perfect children a boy and a girl, you didn’t “need” to have him":ehh: Even following his birth I almost died, need an emergency hysteretomy right then and there, I was told “That perhaps this is God’s way of stopping you from bringing more children like this into the world” (this was a relative who said this) I have dealt with problems with school tax dollars wasted on my kid as opposed to their “perfect children” needing things. Also I have been told (he’s now 17) I should have him sterlized so he doesn’t reproduced:banghead: He is Autistic, (they hate touch) very developmentally delayed (around age 6)and mute. Although he is physically a man, he shows no desire whatsoever in girls, dating or anything of that kind. I am sick and tired of people thinking they can put there nose in my business because I had the nerve to give birth to a handicap child. P.S. although no test for Autism, I opted not to have an ammio because no matter what I would have the baby anyway.

kaymart:

Sounds like you’ve been dealing with some real pieces of work!

I think you might want to learn to tell these people, “Thank you for sharing.” or, “I’m amazed at how those who are saying that we should have compassion have so little of it!” or, “I’m amazed at how those who are saying we should be tolerant have so little ot it!” as you turn on your heels and leave. As the GI’s in WW II used to say when particularly NOXIOUS officers came through their encampments, “Illegitimi non carborundum!” “Don’t let the (impolite term) get you down!”

Remember, you did what you did for God and for you son. Don’t let those people cause you to forget it.

May God bless you and your son.

In Christ, Michael

 

[kaymart]

I was speaking to my brother today about this thread, he had a very good point. He believes my son and other children like him all have a special purpose in this life. He said by having a Nephew like Tony(my son) so far has taught him love and compassion he never had until I gave birth to him. Also that Tony already has the pure and innocent Soul that we all try to achive. He doesn’t know envy, pride or how to lie. He doesn’t cheat his fellow man. He does not drink or use drugs, or have impure sexual behaviors. All he knows is people love him and he responds. Now isn’t that how we try to be??? Now, liberals answer me, why would we want to “kill” these “perfect” children?

 

[beckers]

kaymart:

I was speaking to my brother today about this thread, he had a very good point. He believes my son and other children like him all have a special purpose in this life. He said by having a Nephew like Tony(my son) so far has taught him love and compassion he never had until I gave birth to him. Also that Tony already has the pure and innocent Soul that we all try to achive. He doesn’t know envy, pride or how to lie. He doesn’t cheat his fellow man. He does not drink or use drugs, or have impure sexual behaviors. All he knows is people love him and he responds. Now isn’t that how we try to be??? Now, liberals answer me, why would we want to “kill” these “perfect” children?

What a wonderful family you have! I believe your brother is right on. These “people” are already in touch with God. They are like perfect souls sent to us in imperfect bodies to teach us GOD’s true love.

The only thing I am worried about is… at some point are insurance compaines going to force people to take these test and if they come back positve and you choose NOT to abort the child will they be able to not help pay for the cost?

 

[Magster]

beckers:

The only thing I am worried about is… at some point are insurance compaines going to force people to take these test and if they come back positve and you choose NOT to abort the child will they be able to not help pay for the cost?

This is truly a very scary thought but, unfortunately, probably not that far-fetched a real possibility. We have to keep saying our rosaries!

Kaymart - with regard to your autistic son - I don’t know if you’ve heard the “dignity” argument where people say that it is not dignified for someone to live like your son. The best response I’ve heard for that argument is “God wills that my child live and there is nothing more dignified than graciously accepting God’s will.”

 

[kaymart]

Magster:

This is truly a very scary thought but, unfortunately, probably not that far-fetched a real possibility. We have to keep saying our rosaries!

Kaymart - with regard to your autistic son - I don’t know if you’ve heard the “dignity” argument where people say that it is not dignified for someone to live like your son. The best response I’ve heard for that argument is “God wills that my child live and there is nothing more dignified than graciously accepting God’s will.”

Magster, that is a wondeful response for these people who feel children like him are less then human. Thank you, I will definately use this. He is truly a gift from God.

 

[kaymart]

beckers:

What a wonderful family you have! I believe your brother is right on. These “people” are already in touch with God. They are like perfect souls sent to us in imperfect bodies to teach us GOD’s true love.

The only thing I am worried about is… at some point are insurance compaines going to force people to take these test and if they come back positve and you choose NOT to abort the child will they be able to not help pay for the cost?

My brother is a good man. So are other members. Unfortunately, not all the family feels this way. This thing about the insurance companies, as far-fetch as it might sound don’t be surprised in a few short years this comes into law. The sad thing is these people can not see the purity and love in these special children and adults. When it comes down to it the people who feel this way are the really the disabled ones because their Souls are “developmentally delayed”

 

[PLAL]

Pro-aborts don’t want to talk about this, so let’s

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An article in yesterday’s Boston Globe entitled, “The problem with an almost-perfect genetic world,” included this:

*Supporters of abortion are especially wary of wading into a discussion over the ethics of prenatal testing, lest they be seen as playing into the opposing side in the fraught national debate over abortion rights.*The topic was a November 10 announcement in The New England Journal of Medicine of reliable prenatal screening for handicaps that can be conducted earlier in the pregnancy.

This means moms will be able to abort defective babies sooner rather than later, which is good. (Although we’re told abortions are safer than eating an ice cream cone, early abortions must be 110% safe as opposed to 100% later.)

The fact that pro-aborts don’t want to talk about this surprises me and is useful information. After all, “fetal anomalies” is one of the big four reasons pro-aborts use to keep abortion on demand legal (the other three being rape/incest and health and life of the mother).

So let’s talk about it. On page two are compelling points to ponder, many surprisingly brought forth in the BG piece.

[Photo courtesy of the *Boston Globe.]

Hat tip: **Dr. Joseph **and Mark Pickup

• Just as handicapped people are winning the fight for greater inclusion in our society, they will find their numbers dwindling. The same politicians heralding the **Americans for Disabilities Act **are fighting for the right to kill those diabled Americans prenatally.

• What about HIV+ babies?

• Will the day come when children with "previously existing handicaps" are denied insurance if parents don't abort?

• 80% of Down syndrome children are now aborted

• As numbers of people with certain conditions dwindle, less money is likely to be devoted to cures and education. "If you terminate pregnancies with a condition, who is going to put research dollars into it?" the ***BG*** quoted **Nancy Press**, professor of medical anthropology at **Oregon Health and Science University**.

• The more people are conditioned against bringing certain kinds of babies into the world, the less they will tolerate them once they're here.

• Smaller numbers will mean even greater isoloation and loneliness. "Loneliness is one of the most significant challenges they face," the ***BG*** quoted **Anthony Shriver**, founder of **Best Buddies**, a nonprofit org that helps people with intellectual disabilities form friendships.

• Who decides what qualifies as an abortable handicap? As fewer perfect people are born, will the bar continue to raise? What about deafness? Or Type I Diabetes? What about adult onset disorders like Huntington's Disease?

• As prenatal testing advances, will the time come when even nonhandicapped qualities like brown eyes or red hair are checked?

• Where do you draw the line? There are four degrees to spina bifida, ranging from incapacitating to barely noticable. Or what about a 95 IQ, which is borderline normal?

• While some argue advanced prenatal testing will result in "pooer man's gene therapy," others argue only the wealthy will be able to afford genetic testing, leaving the poor to deal with the infirmed.
  Children are taught not to bully and to accept one another’s differences. We encourage them to raise money for **Jerry’s Kids **or the March of Dimes or the Juvenile Diabetes Foundation or the Special Olympics. What are adults teaching by killing those same people? “At what point are we engaging in eugenics and not accepting the normal diversity withint a population?” the BG quoted Mark Rothstein, director of the **Bioethics Institute **at the University of Louisville School of Medicine.
  
  jillstanek.com/archives/2005/11/proaborts_dont.html

 

[Kay_Cee]

Anna's Mom:

while pregnant I didn’t opt to have these tests performed. The baby was mine no matter how healthy! lucky for me I was blessed with a beautiful healthy girl. I think god makes “special” children and gives them to people who need to see how precious all life is. My sister has a handicapped child. We believe she was blessed with him because God knew she would care for him through thick and thin.

I have a friend whose two children are both autistic. The younger one is also mentally retarded (at age 18 she was as mentally developed as an 18 month old).

My friend considers herself blessed. As she put it once, “God only gives children like that to very special people.”