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MarkThompson
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I’m just saying, you and Dan Schutte are on the same page now. In fact, I heard you two are dating, is that true???
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benedictgal
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With all due respect, you are still not understanding the point that I am making. Dan Schutte was trying to use something legitimate to justify something that is clearly ilicit.I’m just saying, you and Dan Schutte are on the same page now. In fact, I heard you two are dating, is that true???
During the Papal Masses, when the petitions are read, the cantor chants, “Kyrie, kyrie eleison.” This particular version of the Kyrie is an option for the prayer of the faithful. However, in the case of Bernadette Farrell’s Sanctus, what she does is not legitimate:
Holy, Holy, Holy, Holy Lord,
Lord God power, Lord God of power and might.
Hosanna, Hosanna, Hosanna in the highest.
Hosanna, Hosanna, Hosanna in the highest.
Blessed, blessed blessed blessed is he who comes in the name, who comes in the Lord’s own name.
This is the point that I am trying to make.Hosanna, Hosanna, Hosanna in the highest.
Hosanna, Hosanna, Hosanna in the highest.
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Melchior_1
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Thanks for posting this 5loaves, very interesting stuff coming down the pipe.
Maybe now Schutte won’t be seen as a heretic or whatever.
Mark, you need to tell me where you get your sources from! My people had zero info about BG and Dan being an item!! I must banish them accordingly.
Maybe now Schutte won’t be seen as a heretic or whatever.
Mark, you need to tell me where you get your sources from! My people had zero info about BG and Dan being an item!! I must banish them accordingly.
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benedictgal
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Back in 2008, I was blessed to have been able to attend part of the Gateway Liturgical Conference in St. Louis. One of the seminars I attended centered on the new tranlsations. The presenter was not afiliated with any publishing houses. During the lunch break, I was able to sit down with a composer who was also not affiliated with a publishing house.
The table talk was most constructive and informative. The composer stressed fidelity to the texts, something that he found sorely lacking in many of the current compositions, Schutte’s included. No one has the right to add nor delete anything from the Mass. Composers do not have an exception to this. The music needs to fit the text, not the other way around. Schutte’s argument justifying what he and others did really does not hold much water. The reason why his credibility, in my opinion, is not solid is based on what he wrote to try to backpeddle and justify his song, “You are Near.”
The table talk was most constructive and informative. The composer stressed fidelity to the texts, something that he found sorely lacking in many of the current compositions, Schutte’s included. No one has the right to add nor delete anything from the Mass. Composers do not have an exception to this. The music needs to fit the text, not the other way around. Schutte’s argument justifying what he and others did really does not hold much water. The reason why his credibility, in my opinion, is not solid is based on what he wrote to try to backpeddle and justify his song, “You are Near.”
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snowlake
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“Lex orandi lex credendi” Following that path, the words we pray matter and the bishops have felt the importance of looking carefully at those words. The present translation is not doctrinally clear, it does not sufficiently convey the Holy, the transcendent, the sacred. It has a greater focus on the imminent presence of God. Expression of both the transcendence and the imminence of God are needed.
The language of the Holy Mass should have a different quality from our daily language.
The current translations doesn’t make clear the direct use of Sacred Scripture; the images and metaphors of God are “watered down”.
Present prayers are not so much translations from the Latin, they are more paraphrases.
The Roman Missal has come through generations and generations of Christians coming together to pray. Some of those prayers are prayers of the 1st Century Christians who were in Christ’s presence. Mere paraphrases of those are not good enough.] end quote
This part is great, and I wasn’t expecting it. I especially like “the language of the Holy Mass should have a different quality from our daily language”. I would apply this statement to the musical setting as well - it too should be different from what we use
in our daily lives. (Daily Mass excepted).
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Michael_Francis
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