Presbyterians and "Daily Bread"

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Recently I was at a Presbyterian Bible Study and the leader was trying to make a point about how because Jesus is our daily bread, we have to read the Bible every day. I didn’t really understand why or how she equated reading Scripture daily with receiving Christ daily. Can anyone explain this to me?
 
Perhaps because Jesus is the Word of God, and the Bible is called the Word?

I’m not certain if this is the same case, but I seem to recall a Southern Baptist preacher once saying that because Jesus is the Word, the Bible is Jesus. It may have been a metaphor. The preacher was in insurance before he went for the Southern Baptist ordination, so it could have been he is more math-minded than philosophy-minded. He made the particular comment only once. I don’t think it went over too well with the congregation.

It may not be the same thing, but I think it is similar in some manner.

Another method of explaining it I think comes from the Protestant minister who baptized me (I think that particular man is more Catholic than he realizes!): The Bible and Jesus are not the same thing, although we use similar terms. Because Jesus permeates the writings in the Bible, we come to know Him more as we read the Bible.
 
If you read Matthew 4:1-4 you will find the gospel writer saying this:
1 Then Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil. 2And after fasting forty days and forty nights, he was hungry. 3And the tempter came and said to him, “If you are the Son of God, command these stones to become loaves of bread.” 4But he answered, "It is written,
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"'Man shall not live by bread alone,
but by every word that comes from the mouth of God.’"
Perhaps this Bible study leader didn’t exactly explain it in the best way. ZDHayden’s explanation is a good one. Jesus is called the Word in the New Testament and the Bible is the written Word of God. However, that does not mean that Jesus=the Bible. What it means is that everything in the Bible points to Jesus. It is all about him.

For many Protestants, the Bible and the respect they have for the Bible is the closest thing to what Catholics have in the Eucharist. When we read the Bible, we are reading God inspired writing. We can see and hear the very words of Jesus himself. Those life giving words that he spoke is in that book, and the knowledge of salvation is in that book. Christians don’t have to read the Bible everyday, but if you are a Christian there should be a hunger inside of you to draw near to God and hear his word. For Protestants, drawing close to God is done by spending time with him in prayer and reading his word.
 
Recently I was at a Presbyterian Bible Study and the leader was trying to make a point about how because Jesus is our daily bread, we have to read the Bible every day. I didn’t really understand why or how she equated reading Scripture daily with receiving Christ daily. Can anyone explain this to me?
“Daily bread” refers to the Eucharist. A Presbyterian wouldn’t know that. I would never go to a Protestant Bible study.

QUOTE:

stmaryvalleybloom.org/homily-bodychrist-c.html

Homily for the Feast of Corpus Christi

He [Pope Benedict] notes that early Christian writers understood the fourth petition of the Our Father as a Eucharistic petition.

END QUOTE

Jim Dandy
 
“Daily bread” refers to the Eucharist. A Presbyterian wouldn’t know that. I would never go to a Protestant Bible study.

QUOTE:

stmaryvalleybloom.org/homily-bodychrist-c.html

Homily for the Feast of Corpus Christi

He [Pope Benedict] notes that early Christian writers understood the fourth petition of the Our Father as a Eucharistic petition.

END QUOTE

Jim Dandy
When I was a Protestant it was more about how God would fulfill our daily needs. It wasn’t until after I was Catholic that I realized it was the Eucharist. In fact even some cradle Catholics don’t equate daily bread with the Eucharist.

There is great new book out that you might enjoy called “Jesus and the Jewish roots of the Eucharist”

Awesome.
 
I was Presbyterian until recently, and this would have seemed completely normal to me. From that perspective/theology, our relationship with Jesus gives us strength each day. We strengthen our relationship with Him through prayer and reading Scripture. Reading Scripture therefore nourishes us, just as bread would.

Now, I understand that Jesus as our daily bread is most fully expressed in the Eucharist 🙂 I do, however, think that there is a sense on which the Word of God in Sacred Scripture can nourish us as well and be a type of “daily bread”… that’s why the Liturgy of the Word is an important part of the Mass. We are nourished by it as well as the Body and Blood of our Lord.

I hope this doesn’t seem like I’m discounting the importance of the Eucharist, because I get so excited just thinking about it… It’s the greatest gift ever, and I can never be grateful enough for it. It’s so good to be Catholic 🙂
 
Either the point of view propounded by the Presbyterian minister or the one by our Catholic sisters and brothers is metaphorical, since the term translated as “daily bread” is a* hapax legomena*, meaning that it was only used once in Greek. There are different levels of hapax legomena, the least being a term only used once by an author or in a book, the highest being one that only appears once in any known Greek writing. “Daily bread” is in the latter category. It is not a compound term, so we cannot try to wring out of meaning from its component parts. In the Lutheran understanding, it means all things that are needed for our lives on earth.
 
Recently I was at a Presbyterian Bible Study and the leader was trying to make a point about how because Jesus is our daily bread, we have to read the Bible every day. I didn’t really understand why or how she equated reading Scripture daily with receiving Christ daily. Can anyone explain this to me?
G.K. Chesterton once said that one the Church is removed from Christianity, the Bible becomes an Idol to be worshiped. This certainly sounds like the situation. This Pastor seems to be equating the Bible to God. I guess those hundreds of years of illiterate Christians were not receiving their daily bread. I guess even the literate Christians that could not afford one of those expensive pre-printing press bibles were not receiving their daily bread.

But I don’t want judge this Pastor to harshly, after all this was probably only one part of his sermon. It may have made some sense in the full context of the sermon.
 
Christ is the living Word of God, the bread that came down from Heaven. Just as man cannot live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God, we are nourished daily by the Word of God in our Eucharistic celebration (not to mention the Liturgy of the Hours!) Mass is not complete without readings from Scripture. Just as graces and salvation can be attained through frequent reception of Holy Communion, there are graces and an indulgence attached to pious reading of the Bible.

While it is true we should not worship the Bible as an idol to the exclusion of other things such as Holy Tradition and the authority of the successors to the Apostles, we venerate and revere the Word of God as inspired by the Holy Spirit. It is the foundation of a good Christian life, and nourishes us spiritually just as food nourishes our bodies.
 
Either the point of view propounded by the Presbyterian minister or the one by our Catholic sisters and brothers is metaphorical, since the term translated as “daily bread” is a* hapax legomena*, meaning that it was only used once in Greek. There are different levels of hapax legomena, the least being a term only used once by an author or in a book, the highest being one that only appears once in any known Greek writing. “Daily bread” is in the latter category. It is not a compound term, so we cannot try to wring out of meaning from its component parts. In the Lutheran understanding, it means all things that are needed for our lives on earth.
Lutheranism is no older than 1517, and the American synods considerably younger than that. The NT may be parsed anyway one wishes. But the early Christian writers – those who were closer to the teachings of the Apostles and believed as the early Christians believed – understood “give us this day our daily bread” as a Eucharistic petition.

Jim Dandy
 
Jim, the Greek language predates both Lutheranism and Catholicism. Maybe in the future we will have another find like the trash piles of Alexandria that showed us that the common language was quite different from formal Greek. Think of it as what you would hear at a Rotary meeting as opposed to a scholastic convocation. Until that time, the linguistic puzzle of what is meant by επιουσιον will remain.
 
Another method of explaining it I think comes from the Protestant minister who baptized me (I think that particular man is more Catholic than he realizes!): The Bible and Jesus are not the same thing, although we use similar terms. Because Jesus permeates the writings in the Bible, we come to know Him more as we read the Bible.
Perhaps this Bible study leader didn’t exactly explain it in the best way. ZDHayden’s explanation is a good one. Jesus is called the Word in the New Testament and the Bible is the written Word of God. However, that does not mean that Jesus=the Bible. What it means is that everything in the Bible points to Jesus. It is all about him.

For many Protestants, the Bible and the respect they have for the Bible is the closest thing to what Catholics have in the Eucharist. When we read the Bible, we are reading God inspired writing. We can see and hear the very words of Jesus himself. Those life giving words that he spoke is in that book, and the knowledge of salvation is in that book. Christians don’t have to read the Bible everyday, but if you are a Christian there should be a hunger inside of you to draw near to God and hear his word. For Protestants, drawing close to God is done by spending time with him in prayer and reading his word.
I was Presbyterian until recently, and this would have seemed completely normal to me. From that perspective/theology, our relationship with Jesus gives us strength each day. We strengthen our relationship with Him through prayer and reading Scripture. Reading Scripture therefore nourishes us, just as bread would.

Now, I understand that Jesus as our daily bread is most fully expressed in the Eucharist 🙂 I do, however, think that there is a sense on which the Word of God in Sacred Scripture can nourish us as well and be a type of “daily bread”… that’s why the Liturgy of the Word is an important part of the Mass. We are nourished by it as well as the Body and Blood of our Lord.

I hope this doesn’t seem like I’m discounting the importance of the Eucharist, because I get so excited just thinking about it… It’s the greatest gift ever, and I can never be grateful enough for it. It’s so good to be Catholic 🙂
I can see a little better after reading the explanations here, especially these. I feel it enhances my relationship with Jesus to read Sacred Scripture, but I am almost completely zeroed in on the Gospels. I understand they have a different view of Scripture than I do, so I am struggling to understand exactly what that is. I guess for further clarification I have 2 more questions:

Is Bible reading the way they believe they receive Christ in a spiritual or even Sacramental sense?

Is there a popular understanding of the Bible as a message from God the Father or Jesus speaking directly to the reader or listener to instruct them in their personal matters?
 
Recently I was at a Presbyterian Bible Study and the leader was trying to make a point about how because Jesus is our daily bread, we have to read the Bible every day. I didn’t really understand why or how she equated reading Scripture daily with receiving Christ daily. Can anyone explain this to me?
The Mass is composed of two parts, the liturgy of the Word and the liturgy of the Eucharist. We are fed by both the Word and the Eucharist. While this is true, they are not exactly the same thing and if this woman omitted speaking of the Eucharist then I think she was using one truth to deny another by claiming that our daily Bread is found only in the Word and, while not saying it, denying that Christ is present in the Eucharist. Now, being a Presbyterian leader, she was speaking the truth as the body and blood of the Lord is not truly present in their form of communion, but is certainly there in a spiritual sense depending upon the disposition of those receiving.
 
Jim, the Greek language predates both Lutheranism and Catholicism. Maybe in the future we will have another find like the trash piles of Alexandria that showed us that the common language was quite different from formal Greek. Think of it as what you would hear at a Rotary meeting as opposed to a scholastic convocation. Until that time, the linguistic puzzle of what is meant by επιουσιον will remain.
Hmm. I don’t read Greek so can only report what I have read, but that would indicate that the word is pretty readily dissected into component parts “epi” super (above) and “ousious” (substantial or natural - ousious is the same word which is in the creed when we say Jesus is “one in being with the Father”). To the Jewish listener this would have certainly recalled the “supernatural” bread that sustained them in the desert - manna. And that in turn points to the Bread of Life discourse in John 6, where the crowds start out pushing Jesus about the manna and He turns the conversation to “my flesh is bread indeed.”

Our Protestant brethren, since they begin from the premise that Jesus can’t possibly be talking about the Eucharist in the Bread of Life discourse, have developed a construct in which He is the Bread of Life to be consumed by “chewing on” His Word - meaning Scripture. I’m sure this is what your Presbyterian leader had in mind.

While it is absolutely beneficial (and encouraged) that we who have the opportunity read Scripture daily, that clearly cannot have been the original meaning of Jesus’ statement since the written Word did not exist for the earliest Christians and was not available to the vast majority of Christians until after the invention of the printing press nearly 1500 years after Jesus’ statement - and is still not possible for many Christians in our own day, because of either illiteracy or poverty.
 
Is Bible reading the way they believe they receive Christ in a spiritual or even Sacramental sense?

Is there a popular understanding of the Bible as a message from God the Father or Jesus speaking directly to the reader or listener to instruct them in their personal matters?
I cannot comment on what any individual in any church might think, but I can tell you that even in the Catholic Church we are instructed to read the Bible from four different viewpoints in order to fully grasp the meaning, one of those being from the moral sense, or how this reading applies to our daily lives. So the Scriptures should instruct all of us in our personal matters.
 
Is Bible reading the way they believe they receive Christ in a spiritual or even Sacramental sense?
It is certainly the way Protestants believe they hear the word of God. As a Pentecostal I can tell you that I receive Christ in many spiritual or sacramental senses. The Bible is one way God speaks to me, and it is the final authority by which I judge any of those other spiritual or sacramental ways
Is there a popular understanding of the Bible as a message from God the Father or Jesus speaking directly to the reader or listener to instruct them in their personal matters?
Some might believe this. Pentecostals believe that the Bible has to be read in the historical context in which it was written to be understood, BUT we also believe that the Spirit can speak to us for today. This can happen when reading Scripture, when the Spirit illuminates a passage in a particular light that one has never noticed or comprehended before. But I would not suggest anyone go looking through the Bible for specific instructions for daily affairs. It doesn’t work like that, unless you are considering having an affair. Then the passages condemning adultery would be a good place to start.😃
 
Is Bible reading the way they believe they receive Christ in a spiritual or even Sacramental sense?

Is there a popular understanding of the Bible as a message from God the Father or Jesus speaking directly to the reader or listener to instruct them in their personal matters?
From a Presbyterian point of view (at least, the PCUSA point of view… not to be confused with the more conservative PCA or OPC), the answer to your first question would be that in a way one does receive Christ spiritually by reading the Bible in that one learns more about Him and the history of His people. I don’t think they would say it was Sacramental… the two Sacraments they recognize are Baptism and the Lord’s Supper, and they understand them quite differently from Catholics. So there isn’t much of a Sacramental sense of receiving Christ apart from those two instances.

For your second question, of course it depends on the denomination, but for PCUSA, I’d say that they do not typically understand it like that. There may be instances where it happens like that though. For instance, have you ever been reading through a book of the Bible and the chapter you read that day happens to tell you exactly what you needed to hear? I know that’s happened to me multiple times. Coincidence? Maybe, but I’m inclined to think not in all cases. So in that sense, and in the sense that the Bible reveals truths about God, Presbyterians believe that the Bible has a lot to say to them about their daily lives. It also instructs them on how to become better Christians. However, for PCUSA, this all has to be placed into the historical context and not necessarily taken at face value. However, I cannot speak for all denominations, or even entirely for PCUSA, as there is much variation even within the denomination.

Wow, that was longer than I expected. I hope it helps somewhat.
 
NHInsider, this is why Saint Jerome translated the term as superstantialis, and why the DRC translates it as superstantial. In other translations, it is bread for the morrow. The basis of the Lord’s Prayer is the Jewish Eighteen Benedictions.The second benediction reads:
"Thou art mighty–humbling the haughty,
Powerful–calling the arrogant to judgment,
Eternal–reviving the dead,
Causing the wind to blow and the dew to fall,
Sustaining the living, resurrecting the dead –
O cause our salvation to sprout in the twinkling of an eye!
Blessed art thou, O Lord, who revivest the dead.

While the Eighteen Blessings have an eschatological tone, it it more strongly stated in the Lord’s Prayer. In the Catholic tradition, the eschatological tone of the eleventh verse of Matthew 6 has been subordinated to an emphasis on the Eucharist.
 
Recently I was at a Presbyterian Bible Study and the leader was trying to make a point about how because Jesus is our daily bread, we have to read the Bible every day. I didn’t really understand why or how she equated reading Scripture daily with receiving Christ daily. Can anyone explain this to me?
People are getting much too theoretical about what this poor woman meant. She was advocating a daily devotional.

Why does everything have to be so sinister?
 
sinister? I don’t see anything sinister. It’s an interesting conversation about the different ways people understand common terms, based on their variant theologies.
 
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