Presence of Jesus in the Eucharist?

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Is it true that Jesus is not physically present in the Eucharist?
 
Facite said:
Is it true that Jesus is not physically present in the Eucharist?
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No.

From the Catechism:
1374 The mode of Christ’s presence under the Eucharistic species is unique. It raises the Eucharist above all the sacraments as “the perfection of the spiritual life and the end to which all the sacraments tend.” In the most blessed sacrament of the Eucharist “the body and blood, together with the soul and divinity, of our Lord Jesus Christ and, therefore, the whole Christ is truly, really, and substantially contained.” “This presence is called ‘real’ - by which is not intended to exclude the other types of presence as if they could not be ‘real’ too, but because it is presence in the fullest sense: that is to say, it is a substantial presence by which Christ, God and man, makes himself wholly and entirely present.”
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If it weren’t Him, would we bother separating the unconsecrated hosts from those left after Mass? Why would we reserve the Eucharist in an ornate Tabernacle? Why would we genuflect or bow before a relatively bland cracker? Why would there be ornate monstrances to display a cracker? Adoration chapels dedicated to a cracker? That would be idolatry, and pretty lame at that! The Jews at least had a golden calf!😃

therealpresence.org/eucharst/pea/element.htm
 
Richard320 said:
No.

From the Catechism:

If it weren’t Him, would we bother separating the unconsecrated hosts from those left after Mass? Why would we reserve the Eucharist in an ornate Tabernacle? Why would we genuflect or bow before a relatively bland cracker? Why would there be ornate monstrances to display a cracker? Adoration chapels dedicated to a cracker? That would be idolatry, and pretty lame at that! The Jews at least had a golden calf!😃

therealpresence.org/eucharst/pea/element.htm
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Well, someone told me that Jesus is not physically present in the Eucharist because if he is it would be the last judgement. We are not eating his physical flesh right?
 
Facite said:
Well, someone told me that Jesus is not physically present in the Eucharist because if he is it would be the last judgement. We are not eating his physical flesh right?
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We are receiving His glorified Body, and the graces that we are open to receive.
 
Facite said:
Well, someone told me that Jesus is not physically present in the Eucharist because if he is it would be the last judgement. We are not eating his physical flesh right?
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Yes, we are.

We are repeating the Last Supper. Jesus said, “This is my body.” Not “This represents me”

Before receiving the Eucharist, it is stated, “The body of Christ.” The communicant agrees with the statement “Amen” before reception. Amen means “it is so.”

1 Corinthians 11:29
For anyone who eats and drinks without discerning the body, eats and drinks judgment on himself.
 
Facite said:
Well, someone told me that Jesus is not physically present in the Eucharist because if he is it would be the last judgement. We are not eating his physical flesh right?
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Was this person a Protestant? Most Protestants don’t accept the real presence. However, they are wrong. One of my many reasons to come back to the Catholic Church.
 
Yes, I think that when we receive the Eucharist, we aren’t eating his physical body and blood, but rather his sacramental body and blood. Am I correct?
 
Facite said:
Yes, I think that when we receive the Eucharist, we aren’t eating his physical body and blood, but rather his sacramental body and blood. Am I correct?
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When his disciples inquired about this Jesus intensified his language and used the work gnaw and many of them left because it was too distrubing to them.
 
KP3243 said:
When his disciples inquired about this Jesus intensified his language and used the work gnaw and many of them left because it was too distrubing to them.
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Are you saying that it is Jesus’ physical body and blood that we consume at Mass?
 
This may sound like I’m joking, but it depends on how you define “is.”

Here’s my favorite analogy for transubstantiation. Imagine I steal the Mona Lisa. Now I use a subatomic replicator device I stole from aliens to create a perfect copy right down to the atomic level. Are there now TWO Mona Lisas? No, there is only one and a copy, even if nobody can tell them apart.

If I take the original Mona Lisa and draw a mustache and goatee on it so that it no longer LOOKS like the Mona Lisa, but the does, is the copy now the real thing since it is the only thing in existence that DOES correspond? Nope. The ‘substance’ of what the Mona Lisa IS is not dependent on physical measurements of it’s ‘accidents.’

Now flip this analogy over and look at the Eucharist. The ‘accidents’ (what we can see, smell and measure) don’t change a bit. But what the host IS does change. Even though it still looks like bread, it isn’t. It’s the body and blood, soul and divinity of Christ. Not just a symbol, not just a spiritual presence, but a transformation of what the substance is. Christ cannot be divided into spiritual and physical. That’s a theological error called dualism. He is fully present (spiritual and physical) in the Eucharist, even though no physical change can usually be detected via science.
 
timwatt said:
I don’t mean to disrespect you, but is this a joke? This is the kind of question that I expect Protestants, and other non-Catholics, to ask . . . but from an adult Catholic? :eek:

The Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist: Catholic Encyclopedia
newadvent.org/cathen/05573a.htm

Is the Eucharist Really Jesus - Young Catholic Minute
youtube.com/watch?v=rvAiwPz6M8U&list=UUH4-usupiIjtT7uETsnLnnQ&index=8&feature=plcp
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OR the young, innocent, ignorant etc who need to be instructed. AT LEEAST THEY’RE INTERESTED 👍

And how do humans learn?

Repetition

So keep answering, and send them to their Priest, Spiritual Advisor, RCIA etc
 
timwatt said:
I don’t mean to disrespect you, but is this a joke? This is the kind of question that I expect Protestants, and other non-Catholics, to ask . . . but from an adult Catholic? :eek:

The Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist: Catholic Encyclopedia
newadvent.org/cathen/05573a.htm

Is the Eucharist Really Jesus - Young Catholic Minute
youtube.com/watch?v=rvAiwPz6M8U&list=UUH4-usupiIjtT7uETsnLnnQ&index=8&feature=plcp
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I am very aware that the Eucharist is really Jesus and there is nothing that is not Jesus about it, however my question (which asks if Christ is physically and/or sacramentally present in the Eucharist; which has an answer to which not many Catholics know the answer to (or have a malformed idea of knowing), is quite relevant. 🙂 I am also not sure if your sources really state about the (possible) physical presence of Jesus in the Eucharist.:confused:
 
Facite said:
I am very aware that the Eucharist is really Jesus and there is nothing that is not Jesus about it, however my question (which asks if Christ is physically and/or sacramentally present in the Eucharist; which has an answer to which not many Catholics know the answer to (or have a malformed idea of knowing), is quite relevant. 🙂 I am also not sure if your sources really state about the (possible) physical presence of Jesus in the Eucharist.:confused:
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Why the mystery?:confused:

Are you speaking of the Eucharistic miracles?
 
CCC 1374 “The mode of Christ’s presence under the Eucharistic species is unique. It raises the Eucharist above all the sacraments as “the perfection of the spiritual life and the end to which all the sacraments tend.” In the most blessed sacrament of the Eucharist “the body and blood, together with the soul and divinity, of our Lord Jesus Christ and, therefore, the whole Christ is truly, really, and substantially contained.” “This presence is called ‘real’ - by which is not intended to exclude the other types of presence as if they could not be ‘real’ too, but because it is presence in the fullest sense: that is to say, it is a substantial presence by which Christ, God and man, makes himself wholly and entirely present.””
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Would this mean that the real presence of Jesus Christ is not physical? Transubstantiation, as I know it to be, transforms the Host into the Body of our Lord, with his soul and divinity, but (maybe) not so much as to the physical aspect.
 
Yes, Jesus is present in the Eucharist.

Perhaps your sticking point is in thinking about Jesus’ physical presence as limited to physical human flesh. While the Eucharist is a tough reality to understand, it is perhaps more difficult to start by getting your mind around God also being fully present as a human being. In fact, this did not endear him to many of the Jews of his time who refused to believe that this man who walked around and talked could indeed be God. It was not just a quirky theology; this claim got him a death sentence. He even died like a man. But as we know, he revealed himself as the Son of God. Sorta blows your mind (so to speak), when little bits of this truth get through.

If you can believe the real God was present as a man, then the real God can be present in the Eucharist. The main reason is: Because he said so. You don’t have to understand how.
 
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Miracles?
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Eucharistic Miracle
Lanciano, Italy 8th Century A.D.
Ancient Anxanum, the city of the Frentanese, has contained for over twelve centuries the first and greatest Eucharistic Miracle of the Catholic Church. This wondrous Event took place in the 8th century A.D. in the little Church of St. Legontian, as a divine response to a Basilian monk’s doubt about Jesus’ Real Presence in the Eucharist.
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During Holy Mass, after the two-fold consecration, the host was changed into live Flesh and the wine was changed into live Blood, which coagulated into five globules, irregular and differing in shape and size.
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The Host-Flesh, as can be very distinctly observed today, has the same dimensions as the large host used today in the Latin church; it is light brown and appears rose-colored when lighted from the back.
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The Blood is coagulated and has an earthy color resembling the yellow of ochre.
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Various ecclesiastical investigation (“Recognitions”) were conducted since 1574.
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In 1970-'71 and taken up again partly in 1981 there took place a scientific investigation by the most illustrious scientist Prof. Odoardo Linoli, eminent Professor in Anatomy and Pathological Histology and in Chemistry and Clinical Microscopy. He was assisted by Prof. Ruggero Bertelli of the University of Siena.
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The analyses were conducted with absolute and unquestionable scientific precision and they were documented with a series of microscopic photographs.
These analyses sustained the following conclusions:
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The Flesh is real Flesh. The Blood is real Blood.
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The Flesh and the Blood belong to the human species.
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The Flesh consists of the muscular tissue of the heart.
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Eucharistic Miracles
 
Jesus is fully present in body, blood, soul, and divinity.

While the accidents do not change (that is, we still perceive the bread and wine as such), the substance is entirely transformed.

Jesus not only stated it plainly in the Last Supper, but mentioned it at the miracle of the multiplication of the bread:
Jesus declared, “I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will never go hungry, and
whoever believes in me will never be thirsty.
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I am the bread of life. Your ancestors ate the manna in the wilderness, yet they died. But here is the bread that comes down from heaven, which anyone may eat and not die. I am the living bread that came down from heaven. Whoever eats this bread will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.”
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Then the Jews began to argue sharply among themselves, “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?”
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Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in them. Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me. This is the bread that came down from heaven.
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This was also taught clearly by the Apostles:
I speak as to wise men: judge ye yourselves what I say.
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The chalice of benediction, which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? And the bread, which we break, is it not the partaking of the body of the Lord ?
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For we, being many, are one bread, one body, all that partake of one bread.
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As for Protestants, Martin Luther himself did not dare to reject transubstantiation…he said that no human language could ever read “this means” where it is written “this is”, and that not one of the Fathers of the Church ever contradicted this teaching.

It is a silly thought that His presence would imply the coming of the Judgment :o On that day, He will come in glory, surrounded by all His angels, and it will be something the whole world will see at once, “like the lightning, which flashes and lights up the sky from one end to the other.”

Fellow Catholics, does this marvel or scare some of you, that we truly eat the Body of our Beloved?
Aware that his disciples were grumbling about this, Jesus said to them, “Does this offend you? Then what if you see the Son of Man ascend to where he was before! The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you—they are full of the Spirit and life. Yet there are some of you who do not believe.”
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There is a complete overview of the Eucharist in the Scriptures, going from the Old Testament to the Book of Revelation, here.
 
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