Presidental Election - 2012

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It is not an easy decision for me.

Romney -{snip}

Sticks his foot in his mouth a lot, and has made poor campaign decisions - bad.
“You didn’t build that.” Can anything Romney said beat “that” one?
Changes his position according to opportunity.
So it’s okay to “evolve” but it’s not okay to “change.” What’s the difference?
Is a coward to state his position on gay rights. Bad. This leaves a lot of uncertainty.
What gay rights?
Obama -
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Neither of the stand out as a leader. It would appear that Obama has stronger moral fiber and courage, whether you agree or disagree with him.
Exactly what moral fiber has Obama displayed? Killing babies? Forcing the Catholic church to go against her teachings?
Mitt Romney Saved Kidnapped Girl
For those of you who are questioning Romney’s character, this is a true story as reported on Newsmax.com:
Mitt Romney was faced with a crisis in July 1996. The 14-year-old daughter of Robert Gay, a partner in Romney’s new venture capital firm, Bain Capital, had disappeared. As it turned out, she had attended a rave party in New York City and had become high on ecstasy. Three days later, her distraught father had no idea where she was.
Romney took immediate action. He closed down the entire firm and asked all 30 partners and employees to fly to New York to try to find Gay’s daughter.
Romney set up a command center in a conference room at the LaGuardia Marriott just outside Manhattan. He hired a private detective firm to assist with the search and established a toll-free number for tips, coordinating the effort with the New York City Police Department, but he still wasn’t satisfied. He raced through his Rolodex and called everyone Bain did business with in New York. He asked them to help his company find their friend’s missing daughter.
The company’s accounting firm, PricewaterhouseCoopers, and its law firm, put up posters on street poles with a photo of the missing teenager. Cashiers at Duane Reade Pharmacies, which was owned by Bain Capital, put fliers in the bag of each shopper.
Romney and others from the Bain Capital posse trudged through every part of New York, even scouring Central Park, and talked with everyone they could - prostitutes, drug addicts - anyone who may have seen her. They also made rounds at the local nightclubs at 3 a.m., hoping someone somewhere could identify her.
The same day the Romney team came to New York, the hunt made the evening news. Television cameras showed photos of the girl and video of investment banker types prowling through Central Park.
The next day, a teenage boy she was with phoned in. He asked if there was a reward. But the boy got nervous and quickly hung up. Luckily, the police traced the call to a home in Montville Township, N.J.
Gay’s daughter, when they found her in the basement of that home, was shivering through detox after a massive dose of ecstasy. Doctors later told Gay that he was indeed fortunate - his daughter probably would not have lasted another day.
“It was the most amazing thing, and I’ll never forget this to the day I die,” Gay says, adding of Romney’s intervention, “I’m not sure we would have gotten her back without him.”
It is often during a crisis that we gain insight into a person’s real character. Romney’s action demonstrated leadership, loyalty, and selflessness - attributes that Americans just might like to see in a president of the United States.
 
BTW - is it possible to vote twice in a poll here?
This poll was set up to allow votes for multiple options. Not all are.
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FromTheAshes777:
Going third party? I was reading up on Gary Johnson, Libertarian Party, and Virgil Goode, Constitution Party, today. Your thoughts?
I generally vote Libertarian when it’s an option. I’m probably the only person here who’s voted for Ron Paul for president in 3 different elections.
 
I know one thing, if Obama is re-elected. I will not be in America for long and I will gladly give my labor, skills and wealth to any other nation that wants people to work and not be soldiers of crusaderism.
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Scott_Lafrance:
I already know where I am headed if Obama wins again and I already have preparations in place to move there.
I seem to recall a few members here promising to leave the country if Obama was elected the first time. Did anyone actually do that, or was it just bluster?
 
I seem to recall a few members here promising to leave the country if Obama was elected the first time. Did anyone actually do that, or was it just bluster?
When he got elected, I began making my preparations. Preparations are nearly complete. Having options is awesome. 👍
 
This poll was set up to allow votes for multiple options. Not all are.
Thanks for that note.

Unfortunately, that means this poll cannot be truly reflective of any reality, as voting doesn’t work that way. If it were a closer tally, it would be almost meaningless.

BTW - as I post, the percentage totals exceed 100% (20.34% & 83.05%)
 
I pray you will vote for Romney. Certainly the third party may be good, however, it is very clear that Obama and Romney are the two major candidates. If you don’t want Obama to be re-elected, then please consider to avoid the possible horror result by helping Romney gain one more vote from you. Your vote is very important. I pray that you will help our nation by voting Romney. God bless!
I understand what you’re saying to some degree. But suppose the Republican candidate, even after the debates, fails to impress me as someone who I think is the best Catholic Choice. I know we have a duty as both Americans and Catholics to make a good choice. If you read the Catholic voters guide, there is really a great deal of pressure on us to do the right thing. It makes our vote sacred. If I can’t square the Republican candidate in my conscience to be the actual best Catholic choice, and I can with the Constitution Party candidate, I’m not so sure I should buck my conscience from a Catholic standpoint. I am not square with the Democrats, the current Republicans, nor am I on board with the Libertarians. I know that perfection doesn’t exist except in Christ alone. I know that all we can do in the end is vote our conscience in what we feel will do the best for our nation. I really believed in 2008 that the Constitution candidate was the right guy for the job. Turns out he didn’t register a percentage point, I don’t believe. But I’ve still slept well at night knowing that I didn’t violate my conscience. Well, now I was listening to a show on Catholic answers, and apparently, my conscience should not have been eased, because it was my type of action, (voting for the right person), which allowed the current administration to take hold). This sounds screwy to me. I’m supposed to somehow feel better if I’d have voted for the Republican candidate, even though he wasn’t deeply pro-life, and he was as wishy washy as the day is long, just so we could keep out the current President, who at the time, (if anybody else remembers), we didn’t know was going to be a contract killer of the unborn, an anti-Catholic crusader, and a gay rights activist of Harvey Milk proportions. We just didn’t know this then. At least I didn’t. It’s not what he said in his campaigns. Still…I could tell there was something wrong, and I looked elsewhere. I knew from experience a few years before that the Libertarians didn’t have anything for me. I found the Constitution Party. I tore up YouTube listening to Chuck Baldwin speeches. I read their platform. It seemed pretty close to actual Catholic doctrine to me. At least the closest I was likely to find in a U.S. political party.
So here I am. It’s wrong to not vote. It’s wrong (for me, because of our sacred relationship with our conscience) to vote for the Democrat, or a Libertarian. So this leaves the Republican, (who I sincerely will give a chance to during the debates, to see if he can pull it together and present a good case for Christian citizens whose number one causes are morality issues and returning to a constitutional government). If he is unable to convince me, I am convinced with all my heart that the Constitution party have morals and constitutional government toward the top of their agenda.

Instead of praying for me to vote for Romney specifically, how about we pray for each other to conform to our conscience as Christian voters. To vote correctly, instead of for cults or personalities. To vote in the best interest of the United States of America.

As a post-script, I pray that everybody DOES go and vote. No matter who it is you vote for. There are usually many other offices on the ballot as well. I know in Nevada, we are looking at one of our Senators, and my Congress person, who will not be an incumbent because the incumbent is running for Senate. (Exciting stuff). There are also likely to be a few local ballot measures which are generally of pretty big importance here in the trenches. In the end we can all contribute to a better nation if we follow our God given conscience and vote correctly, and above all vote. Even if you can’t work out the Presidential office at all to the satisfaction of your conscience, there are bound to be many other offices and measure of equal, and in some cases more important stature on the same ballot.

For instance, remember that for an activist President to do any permanent damage, he must have the cooperation of Congress. So suppose the president had a Congress which disapproved of everything he did, and would not pass any of his ideas. Then at least the bleeding would be stopped. He could continue to put out illegal executive orders, but they would all eventually be overturned in 2016 by the new President, or else be fought and overturned in the Supreme Court before then.

It’s not all doom and gloom. The news makes us feel that way. 😉

God bless us all,
and God bless the United States of America
 
I understand what you’re saying to some degree. But suppose the Republican candidate, even after the debates, fails to impress me as someone who I think is the best Catholic Choice. I know we have a duty as both Americans and Catholics to make a good choice. If you read the Catholic voters guide, there is really a great deal of pressure on us to do the right thing. It makes our vote sacred. If I can’t square the Republican candidate in my conscience to be the actual best Catholic choice, and I can with the Constitution Party candidate, I’m not so sure I should buck my conscience from a Catholic standpoint. I am not square with the Democrats, the current Republicans, nor am I on board with the Libertarians. I know that perfection doesn’t exist except in Christ alone. I know that all we can do in the end is vote our conscience in what we feel will do the best for our nation. I really believed in 2008 that the Constitution candidate was the right guy for the job. Turns out he didn’t register a percentage point, I don’t believe. But I’ve still slept well at night knowing that I didn’t violate my conscience. Well, now I was listening to a show on Catholic answers, and apparently, my conscience should not have been eased, because it was my type of action, (voting for the right person), which allowed the current administration to take hold). This sounds screwy to me. I’m supposed to somehow feel better if I’d have voted for the Republican candidate, even though he wasn’t deeply pro-life, and he was as wishy washy as the day is long, just so we could keep out the current President, who at the time, (if anybody else remembers), we didn’t know was going to be a contract killer of the unborn, an anti-Catholic crusader, and a gay rights activist of Harvey Milk proportions. We just didn’t know this then. At least I didn’t. It’s not what he said in his campaigns. Still…I could tell there was something wrong, and I looked elsewhere. I knew from experience a few years before that the Libertarians didn’t have anything for me. I found the Constitution Party. I tore up YouTube listening to Chuck Baldwin speeches. I read their platform. It seemed pretty close to actual Catholic doctrine to me. At least the closest I was likely to find in a U.S. political party.
So here I am. It’s wrong to not vote. It’s wrong (for me, because of our sacred relationship with our conscience) to vote for the Democrat, or a Libertarian. So this leaves the Republican, (who I sincerely will give a chance to during the debates, to see if he can pull it together and present a good case for Christian citizens whose number one causes are morality issues and returning to a constitutional government). If he is unable to convince me, I am convinced with all my heart that the Constitution party have morals and constitutional government toward the top of their agenda.

Instead of praying for me to vote for Romney specifically, how about we pray for each other to conform to our conscience as Christian voters. To vote correctly, instead of for cults or personalities. To vote in the best interest of the United States of America.

As a post-script, I pray that everybody DOES go and vote. No matter who it is you vote for. There are usually many other offices on the ballot as well. I know in Nevada, we are looking at one of our Senators, and my Congress person, who will not be an incumbent because the incumbent is running for Senate. (Exciting stuff). There are also likely to be a few local ballot measures which are generally of pretty big importance here in the trenches. In the end we can all contribute to a better nation if we follow our God given conscience and vote correctly, and above all vote. Even if you can’t work out the Presidential office at all to the satisfaction of your conscience, there are bound to be many other offices and measure of equal, and in some cases more important stature on the same ballot.

For instance, remember that for an activist President to do any permanent damage, he must have the cooperation of Congress. So suppose the president had a Congress which disapproved of everything he did, and would not pass any of his ideas. Then at least the bleeding would be stopped. He could continue to put out illegal executive orders, but they would all eventually be overturned in 2016 by the new President, or else be fought and overturned in the Supreme Court before then.

It’s not all doom and gloom. The news makes us feel that way. 😉

God bless us all,
and God bless the United States of America
There is also opposing evil. I do not consider failing to do it in a manner that has some chance of success, to be the moral choice. Think what one might about the Repub candidate (who was not my choice or even my party) Obama is so abortion-promoting that it seems the only moral choice is to oppose him by voting for Romney.

There might be prolife Democrats somewhere, but there are never any on my ballot. So I do not have choices other than to vote Repub. I will not throw away my vote on someone who has no chance of actually winning. To do that is, in my view, refusing to effectively oppose evil.

And I think we have already seen that Obama does not care what congress approves or doesn’t approve. He will promote abortion every way there is to do it. The HHS mandate is a prime example of that. There are others.
 
StevenFrancis,

I understand what you are saying. Chances are Romney may win your vote. According to poll, most people trust in Romney’s ability of turning economy around. With his private sector experiences, I do have faith in him. Romney actually also spent lot of hours in volunteering during the past. I don’t know why he does not elaborate this. He should shout on the roof top let people know all his tremendous volunteering records. I pray his campaign team has good strategy.

While I fully understand your concern of voting the most ideal candidate, I think it is critical to help this nation turn around. When you cast your vote on a candidate has no chance to win, it does not help the situation, it helps Obama. You may fulfill your conscience, but this “noble” act actually helps the evil prevail. Please keep that in consideration.

When people’s hearts are hardened, ignore the fact that the Church is terribly persecuted, conscience protection is violated, the unborn is massacred, seniors will be let die right and left, class war aroused, national defense is tremendously weakened, economy ruined, when people see all these but still want to vote for him either out of idolatry to the person, or out of stubbornness, God will let it be. While so many ignore all the above horrors, we really need every person like you to re-think his vote. Is it more important to save the nation or is it more important to save your own ideal and let the nation die? Can we afford the consequence?
 
Unfortunately, that means this poll cannot be truly reflective of any reality, as voting doesn’t work that way. If it were a closer tally, it would be almost meaningless.

BTW - as I post, the percentage totals exceed 100% (20.34% & 83.05%)
Well, perhaps I can help. As I post, there are 12 votes (20%) for Obama, 50 (83.3%) for Romney, out of 60 who voted. This means two people cast votes for both candidates. Assuming the other person took my approach because he favored an unlisted candidate, we can say the tally would have been 48 (80%) for Romney, 10 (16.7%) for Obama, and 2 (3.3%) for other candidate(s).

You be the judge whether that is more meaningful.
 
Considering all those hollywood ppl saying they were going to leave if Bush was re-elected. If they didn’t do it… I suppose its ok if anyone else said that about obama.
I seem to recall a few members here promising to leave the country if Obama was elected the first time. Did anyone actually do that, or was it just bluster?
 
Considering all those hollywood ppl saying they were going to leave if Bush was re-elected. If they didn’t do it… I suppose its ok if anyone else said that about obama.
It’s difficult if you have family, home, assets, life organized ect.

But I have none. I am a college student and as soon as I graduate and get a job all I need to do is pay off my student loans and obtain my visas and I’m home free. I know that if Obama is re-elected I will not donate to my 401k and I will stuff it in my mattress for my flee money.
 
Neither, it will be the same stuff different person (for the lack of better words). Ron Paul or Gary Johnson. I would vote for Paul first though as he has more notoriety and is likely to pool more votes. If you vote for Romney expecting change to conservative free market economics you are just plain wrong. This man is spineless and would say and do anything just to get elected. He has no principles this is a fact just look at his voting records.
 
Neither, it will be the same stuff different person (for the lack of better words). Ron Paul or Gary Johnson. I would vote for Paul first though as he has more notoriety and is likely to pool more votes. If you vote for Romney expecting change to conservative free market economics you are just plain wrong. This man is spineless and would say and do anything just to get elected. He has no principles this is a fact just look at his voting records.
Yeah Romney is spineless and Ron Paul’s gonna get the job done…what has Rep. Paul done in the last 25 years as Congressman besides bash Republicans and spout of his mouth?

Gary Johnson I can understand, he at least has some accomplishments on his record. Ron Paul on the other hand doesnt.
 
Neither, it will be the same stuff different person (for the lack of better words). Ron Paul or Gary Johnson. I would vote for Paul first though as he has more notoriety and is likely to pool more votes. If you vote for Romney expecting change to conservative free market economics you are just plain wrong. This man is spineless and would say and do anything just to get elected. He has no principles this is a fact just look at his voting records.
Where will you find Ron Paul on the ballot this November? As far as Gary Johnson, he is pro-choice and pro-“gay marriage.”
 
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