Preventing abuse

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I agree that priests who prefer males are homosexuals. That is the definition of homosexuality. I do not agree that priests who have sex with males or abuse males are necessarily homosexual. Some are, some aren’t. They may be bi-sexual, or they may just be opportunity driven sexual predators.
 
Since we can’t sort that mess out, we opt to remove any with those attractions and tendencies from the seminary pool.

My first point.

Now, do you want to move on to the other points I made.
 
stupidisasstupiddoes said:
John Jay data to try to understand repeat offending by Catholic clergy found that a history of

childhood sexual victimization was found to be one of the strongest predictive variables for

clerical men to become repeat offenders”
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This is one person’s analysis and it suggests that the author is biased by the erroneous belief that victims usually become abusers, sometimes called “vampire syndrome.” About 7% of priest offenders were victims if abuse whether sexual, physical, or emotional. Whether or not a candidate was abused or not isn’t useful criteria.
 
I think that is a good idea if you can do it. I am sure the Church is very mindful that they are not getting many vocations. They certainly don’t want to make up for that with abusers, but they probably are cautious not to scare off good candidates by grilling them about something they have never done or thought of doing. But the idea may have some merit.

I still think the Church’s chosen program, Viritus, will get the greatest effect. And I don’t see the Church pushing that like they could.
 
Bruised_Reed said:
John Jay data to try to understand repeat offending by Catholic clergy found that a history of

childhood sexual victimization was found to be one of the strongest predictive variables for

clerical men to become repeat offenders”

This is one person’s analysis and it suggests that the author is biased by the erroneous belief that victims usually become abusers, sometimes called “vampire syndrome.” About 7% of priest offenders were victims if abuse whether sexual, physical, or emotional. Whether or not a candidate was abused or not isn’t useful criteria.
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That’s a blatant lie. It is not one person’s analysis, several studies have reported that clergy who have sexually abused minors have experienced sexual abuse themselves in childhood, sometimes by another priest or religious (Robinson, Montana and Thompson, 1993 (66%); Connors (1994) (30%-35%); Sipe (1995)
(70%-80%); Valcour (1990: 49) (33%-50%)). It is not just a useful criteria, it is the most useful criteria.
 
It’s going to take me some time to read through those but I don’t think it’s useful at all. It is irresponsible and uncharitable to suggest that most victims will become abusers. That stigma is enough to stop make victims from even acknowledging that they were victims, let alone seek justice or counseling.
 
Bruised_Reed said:
It’s going to take me some time to read through those but I don’t think it’s useful at all. It is irresponsible and uncharitable to suggest that most victims will become abusers. That stigma is enough to stop make victims from even acknowledging that they were victims, let alone seek justice or counseling.
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Firstly, facts don’t have feelings. Secondly, the evidence says that they have a very high probability of becoming abusers in certain environments. So you are not saying “you can’t be a priest because you are destined to be an abuser” you are saying “you can’t be a priest because the strict, exceptional requirements of a priest are too likely to bring out the worst in you”. Important difference.
 
Below is an clear example of what needs to change. If someone tells you, outside of a confessional, that they have killed, hurt, hit or abused someone you have to go to the police.

http://www.brownsvilleherald.com/ne...639-2def-5454-af27-53baf040c8de.html?mode=jqm

He later spent time at a treatment centre in New Mexico for troubled priests and after that became a supervisor and had a part in clearing priests for assignments to parishes. Among the men Mr Feit helped to keep in the ministry was child molester James Porter, who assaulted more than 100 victims before he was ultimately defrocked and sent to prison.
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http://time.com/5055916/john-bernard-feit-irene-garza-prison-sentence/
Among the evidence that pointed to Feit as a suspect over the years: Two priests told authorities that Feit had confessed to them.
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Allowing priests to marry would not solve the abuse problem of children. Normal men are attracted to women. The problem is those in the priesthood with disordered attractions such as SSA and attraction to children.
 
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