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That’s what I would say as a Protestant, but we’re rebels you know.I don’t believe that the priest has any right to demand that you not read along. He can request it, but if you have good reason to read, you can.
That’s what I would say as a Protestant, but we’re rebels you know.I don’t believe that the priest has any right to demand that you not read along. He can request it, but if you have good reason to read, you can.
My thoughts exactly!Absolutely! I’m extremely visual and I “listen” with my eyes. I always follow along in the missalette during the readings. When there’s no missalette available, I try to listen and I miss a lot of important things in the message and the reading.
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Oh hogwash! Don’t you think that each individual in the gathered assembly is hearing the Spirit work uniquely in their own lives? Is this too only a common experience? Come, now!Our priest explained the reasoning to us. Listening to the Word being proclaimed in Mass is something we do together as a community. It is a shared and not an idividual experience. If people are reading along in their missal, it tends to chip away and fragment that shared experience. Really, the ideal would be to read from your missal that morning or the night before and come to Mass prepared to share in reception of the Word just as you do the Eucharist.
If this reasoning is to be believed, then the readers and priest ought not proclaim the Word by reading what is in the Lectionary, but from memory and interpretative paraphrase.When she starts telling us stories, even if they are stories that we have heard before, we don’t read along from a prepared text as she is telling them to us - rather, we look her in the eye and listen attentively with our ears.
The Church is our Mother, and the Mass is a visit with our Mother. We are not at school; we are not going to be taking a test on the material that we hear. This is about speaking to and listening to our Mother.
We should treat the Church in the same way that we treat our mother - speaking to her from the heart (even though the words themselves may be oft-repeated), and listening with our heart, in love for her, and for the One about whom she is speaking to us.
We would not read along in a book when speaking to our earthly mother, so why would we read along in a book when interacting with our spiritual Mother, the Church?![]()
Priests can get all too easily carried away with pride and promoting their own opinions as they are just as human as anyone else. The fact that he is a priest does not entitle him to require something of you that he has no right to require. The laity have rights, too. Just because he’s “father” doesn’t mean that he gets to push his weight around however he likes.That’s what I would say as a Protestant, but we’re rebels you know.Still, I’ve seen plenty of Catholics contend on these forums that there is a duty to obey Church authority even when that authority is wrong or unreasonable (assuming, of course, that the priest is not insisting on something that is actually sinful).
Sacred Scripture is far more than a “book”……We would not read along in a book when speaking to our earthly mother, so why would we read along in a book when interacting with our spiritual Mother, the Church?![]()
That word “community” sure seemed to be used a lot to gloss-over problems…Oh hogwash! Don’t you think that each individual in the gathered assembly is hearing the Spirit work uniquely in their own lives? Is this too only a common experience? Come, now!
The Church does not discourage reading. In the Eastern rites, Chaldean and Maronite for example, we are given book at the pews and are encouraged to read along and respond where appropiate.As a re-vert from evangelicalism, I have so appreciated the Church calendar and daily readings at Mass. I just purchased a 3 year subscription to “Magnificat” and enjoy following along with the readers at daily Mass.
Tonight our priest said he doesn’t like publications like the “Magnificat” because the word of God is meant to be heard not read. He also sated that the Church discourages reading along at Mass. If this is true, I will not continue to bring the Magnificat because I want to be obedient to the Church. It would be sad however because I find that it is a great help to me. Does the Church have an official stand on this?
No I do not think you are as this is not really an area that “legitimate authory” can be expressed. Now if your pastor commands you to this, that may be a case but I highly doubt it.I would agree. But are you being disobedient to legitimate authority if your parish priest tells you not to read?
Do you speak to everyone in such an insulting fashion, or was there something unusually offensive in what I posted? I apologize if that was the case. I do not understand.Oh hogwash! Don’t you think that each individual in the gathered assembly is hearing the Spirit work uniquely in their own lives? Is this too only a common experience? Come, now!
Who says that one can not listen attentively while reading along?So, it seems to me that the CDF didn’t take a rigorist position on this, and yet we can’t gloss over the line “all ought to be listening attentively.” I suppose that they are at least encouraging an attempt to listen without reading, if possible.
What do you think?
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Actually I disagree with you here. The Liturgy is the first and foremost form of Catechisis. We listen to the Word being proclaimed and then have a Homily on that Word, so it is about learning.Being at Mass is not about learning, though. You’re not in Sunday School/CCD. We hear the Word of God in an undistracted way so that it can reach our heart.
We’re not trying to get it into our mind; but into our heart.
Kind of hard to do when it is the priest doing it.If the readers are changing the words, they are being disobedient to the Church. Mention it to the person who does the training for the readers - they are not supposed to be interposing their own opinions into the readings.
Let’s look at what “chicago” was responding to, which you posted:Do you speak to everyone in such an insulting fashion, or was there something unusually offensive in what I posted? I apologize if that was the case. I do not understand.
Maybe you can - with me, either I’m reading or I’m listening, but I don’t normally do both at the same time.Who says that one can not listen attentively while reading along?
The Liturgy is first and foremost about worship.Actually I disagree with you here. The Liturgy is the first and foremost form of Catechisis. We listen to the Word being proclaimed and then have a Homily on that Word, so it is about learning.
He does have a Bishop, though, I presume … ?Kind of hard to do when it is the priest doing it.
Thank you! No disrespect or hostility is meant to you, personally, dulcissima. But the argument, itself, really is nonsensical. I’m not attacking you, but the arguement, then.You posted something that is untrue and “chicago” responded, albiet somewhat stridently, but you should expect this if you are posting something that lacks the truth.
Does he have a bishop who will or can do anything about it, though?He does have a Bishop, though, I presume … ?
That’s a ridiculous response.Since reform of the liturgy the usefulness of hand missals for the faithful is often questioned. All now understand the words spoken at Mass;
Me too! When listening only, I’ll catch only about every third or fourth word, regardless of accent/reading style/sound system, etc.Absolutely! I’m extremely visual and I “listen” with my eyes. I always follow along in the missalette during the readings. When there’s no missalette available, I try to listen and I miss a lot of important things in the message and the reading.