priest does not genuflect at consecration

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Has anyone checked the sacramentary? That’s where it would specify genuflecting (or bowing) after the consecration. I don’t have ready access to one or I would check it myself.
 
Orionthehunter said:
After the elevations. And personally, I like the genuflection. I hope I am reading it incorrectly. It appears that most on this thread hope I am reading it incorrectly. I just wish someone could give me a source that would cause me to rethink what I’m reading.

But this exercise is pointing out to me the danger in laity trying to be liturgy police.
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The common practice that is taught shows us that the second paragraph (“If, however…”) is speaking of the genuflections that occur when entering the sanctuary and leaving it. The three genuflections within the Mass itself remain no matter what and no matter where the tabernacle is located. It is implied in the second paragraph that they are genuflecting to the tabernacle in the sanctuary.
 
Actually it’s called the Missale Romanum and of course it’s prescribed for the celebrant to genuflect in the RUBRICS of the Missal.

I think that I will bring the problem with the kneeless priest to the PP who is his superior.
 
HenryV said:
Actually it’s called the Missale Romanum and of course it’s prescribed for the celebrant to genuflect in the RUBRICS of the Missal.

I think that I will bring the problem with the kneeless priest to the PP who is his superior.
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I know this is your opinion. And, Sure has given us one source from the internet (which may be right) that is from the 1970 Missal. But, the GIRM on the Bishop’s website with a Decree from the Vatican from a latter date is at least ambiguous by all counts and a potential source for confusion.

Your Priest may have in an attempt to be true to the rubrics be doing what he is doing. I can certainly see how he can reach this conclusion in honesty from reading the GIRM that I’ve sited.

Your tone and the fact you have offered no documentation on why you think he is committing an abuse/sacriledge belies a potential personal problem with the Priest and this is your means to “slap him.” I only say this so you will examine your heart in consult with the Holy Spirit on both your motives and the step you now believe appropriate.

If you are intent on taking this to his superior (which is your right but it should be grounded in charity), I do think you should at least review a Sacramentary before you go forward. Also, I think it should be framed in the form of a question as in:

“I notice that you and most Priests genuflect after the consecration but Father _____ only bows. I am wondering if this is permissable. I didn’t want to ask Father ______ because I don’t want it to be a confrontation.”

If the Priest says it is permissable, you can have a conversation about why you think otherwise. You may or may not be convinced. But if it is permissable, I suspect that the Pastor will respect the decision of Father _____ to do it this way. You need to be prepared for this outcome.

If the Priest says it is not permissable, you can request that he address it. You are not in authority to demand it. You are not entitled to know what he will do. Your only option is that if you observe no change is made to take it up with the Bishop. At that point, it is really out of your hands.
 
Orionthehunter said:
I know this is your opinion. And, Sure has given us one source from the internet (which may be right) that is from the 1970 Missal. But, the GIRM on the Bishop’s website with a Decree from the Vatican from a latter date is at least ambiguous by all counts and a potential source for confusion.

Your Priest may have in an attempt to be true to the rubrics be doing what he is doing. I can certainly see how he can reach this conclusion in honesty from reading the GIRM that I’ve sited.

Your tone and the fact you have offered no documentation on why you think he is committing an abuse/sacriledge belies a potential personal problem with the Priest and this is your means to “slap him.” I only say this so you will examine your heart in consult with the Holy Spirit on both your motives and the step you now believe appropriate.

If you are intent on taking this to his superior (which is your right but it should be grounded in charity), I do think you should at least review a Sacramentary before you go forward. Also, I think it should be framed in the form of a question as in:

“I notice that you and most Priests genuflect after the consecration but Father _____ only bows. I am wondering if this is permissable. I didn’t want to ask Father ______ because I don’t want it to be a confrontation.”

If the Priest says it is permissable, you can have a conversation about why you think otherwise. You may or may not be convinced. But if it is permissable, I suspect that the Pastor will respect the decision of Father _____ to do it this way. You need to be prepared for this outcome.

If the Priest says it is not permissable, you can request that he address it. You are not in authority to demand it. You are not entitled to know what he will do. Your only option is that if you observe no change is made to take it up with the Bishop. At that point, it is really out of your hands.
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Dear Orion, I am not “slapping” the priest at all I have nothing against him at all and I pray for him regularly.
What I am concered about is his act in the mass that can be seen by people as degrading to the Most Holy Sacrament, as a scandal to the Catholic belief of the Real Presence. That’s why I am concerened and other priests in our parish are too.
Of course I am aware of that I have no authority over any priest whatsoever but according to canon law I have a right to express my concern.

BTW The tabernacle is not in the sanctuary, and I’ve seen him kneel on other occasions, and we are not in the US. I’ve checked thei missal and it’s there alright: genuflection.

Summa Summarum: No one owns the liturgy, it’s given by the Church and laypeople should expect to have a liturgy as intended by the Church and not concocted by a single priest or anyone else for that matter.
 
Right on HenryV:thumbsup:
I have a similar problem in my parish. Just over 2 months ago 3 of our 4 priests stopped genuflecting at the consecration (and also in front of The Blessed Sacrament).

Three genuflections are required at the consecration by the celebrating priest unless he is physically incapable.

One priest told me it didn’t come from Rome and another told me it was OKed in a Motu Proprio in 2002!!

I rang Colin Donovan on “Open Line” about 3 weeks ago and he confirmed that 3 genuflections are required.
I have written to the Bishop and am awaiting a reply. The “abuse” still continues.

I share your concerns and I empathise with you. It’s not easy to attend mass and feel you’re being made a party to this “abuse”. You possibly wonder whether you should walk out or not receive communion – these were/are my feelings.
In your case there may be an innocent reason, so try to keep your anxiety down and your powder dry.

You are not a crank or a liturgy cop; but that won’t stop some people making you feel that way.

You are entitled to a clear explanation for what appears to you to be a possible offence of an infinite nature.

Stand up for your Catholic Faith and The God you believe in: they are both under enough attacks already from outside.
You are unlikely to get any thanks locally for voicing your concerns but you’re doing the right thing.

tim
 
So maybe he has had major back surgery and cancer in his back ---- like my priest who always kneels and genuflects. Stop warning people to not be judgmental. that’s how the American church has declined into the mess it is because everyone is afraid to question or make little things like REVERENCE for the Eucharist important.
 
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