Priest explains why yoga and new age are dangerous

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I don’t think anyone would be a Yoga instructor unless they are deep into it. And being deep into it means believing in the religious aspect. That’s why I would not try Yoga because I know that sooner or later the instructor is going to want to push the person into the practice of a different religion which invites demonic possession.
If do tradition worksouts with an instructor, the warm up an cool down stretching parts will often come from Yoga exercises.

There are Christian Yoga instructors.

One of the most beautiful routines I’ve seen is people doing the Way of the Cross through Yoga exercise.

Jim
 
…also, exercise promotes wellbeing, and Yoga exercises particularly, so where does our daily suffering and not thinking of ‘self’ come in to our religion then?! I think some sport can help our fight against temptations as sports are disciplines for the most part, and for health reasons it is obvious, but for reasons to simply feel great, a bit like going to the gym to prune oneself for two hours straight or more, all seems a bit self-indulgent. It is good to feel joy and peace but cannot praying do this? Try the rosary! Try being silent and trying to be still in God. Do we not trust that God is there and listening that we have to start making funny shapes with our bodies?! I wonder whether a lot of the reasons why people do yoga are making excuses because they either want to do it to meet people or because they are not praying enough! I like sport, I don’t mind exercise, but it can all become indulgent and can soon become a lifestyle so I believe in even limiting these things. I know the temptation is to think to be Christian nowadays is to wear a plastic smile, and it is true that we shouldn’t show any suffering off as if we are revelling in it, but going completely the other way seems a bit forced too. I don’t have a problem with different prayer positions but keep it out of other religions that worship demons and trust that God is with us when we pray even when just sat on a chair or on our knees. IMHO.
So you think caring for the temple of the Holy Spirit, i.e “Our Bodies,” is contrary to Christian teaching ?

Jim
 
Anyway, these debates on Yoga have gone on in this forum for years.

Nothing is spiritually edifying arguing with people who are opposed to Yoga exercise, so, I’m not going to go further with it.

You fear it, don’t do it.

But don’t judge those who do.

Jim
 
So you think caring for the temple of the Holy Spirit, i.e “Our Bodies,” is contrary to Christian teaching ?

Jim
We are called to care for our spiritual selves first and foremost and not to sacrifice our souls for the sake of physical wellbeing.
 
Anyway, these debates on Yoga have gone on in this forum for years.

Nothing is spiritually edifying arguing with people who are opposed to Yoga exercise, so, I’m not going to go further with it.

You fear it, don’t do it.

But don’t judge those who do.

Jim
No one is judging anyone we are simply making an assessment of what is seemingly okay Christian practice and what is not. Obviously there is the ‘anything goes’ attitude that says we needn’t care about the wellbeing of others and what they do but I think the point of this forum is for people to learn how to care and to share when they have a certain knowledge about such things in certain areas when people ask. God bless.
 
We are called to care for our spiritual selves first and foremost and not to sacrifice our souls for the sake of physical wellbeing.
We’re to care for our entire well-being, spiritually and physically.

If we feel sick, it’s more difficult to pray and often impossible to help others.

St Pope John Paul II was an advocate of exercise and he tried to keep himself fit, doing calisthenics in his room and hiking and skiing in the mountains.

Jim
 
We’re to care for our entire well-being, spiritually and physically.

If we feel sick, it’s more difficult to pray and often impossible to help others.

St Pope John Paul II was an advocate of exercise and he tried to keep himself fit, doing calisthenics in his room and hiking and skiing in the mountains.

Jim
🙂 I’m not arguing against exercise, oh man-on-skies, I am simply attempting to put things in perspective because deceptively tame things can so easily snowball into something bad and yoga is one of those dangers, except more so, because the spiritual aspect is demonically centred. St. JPII would not, I think, have ever advocated yoga. It would be like saying: “let’s do black magic but don’t worry about the consequences because you are not wishing to worship Satan!”.

Also, Jesus showed us how to pray. And St. Paul said not to babble like pagans. Maybe this could also be applied to our physical expressions? I actually really love the position where one stands with hands touching over one’s head. It is beautiful to see the whole body resembling hands that are together praying but I know what its origin is. Until the Vatican says “yes” - like the Man from Del Monte - then this way I can’t acknowledge as blessed. Simple. When something has authorisation then we can see it as treading on Satan and his superstitions and demons etc…but I see no acceptance of this from Rome.
 
It appears that these two sentences (in Bold) contradict one another. On the one hand it is implied that Yoga contains no ‘spiritual’ element and in the other hand the post cites Pope B as saying we shouldn’t reject ‘Eastern religions’! If 'there is nothing spiritual about it’ then why would we be rejecting any ‘religion’ when not embracing yoga? 🤷
Why is the head exorcist of the Vatican, the head exorcist of the International association of exorcists Fr Gabriel Amorthe, and his successor Fr Fortea, they both have said in interviews and in the books they’ve written that yoga is demonic and catholics need to stay clear of it completely, and that they are experiencing people with demonic oppression from practicing yoga.
They’ve compared it to the ouiji board. You cannot make a catholic ouiji board, it’s satan’s toy. You cannot do exercise or catholic yoga. The chants and positions are from another false religion and are consecrated to false spirits. No matter who you are or the reason you do yoga, saying one of those chants or positions worships the devil.
How come aetheists need deliverance after practicing occult? It doesn’t matter what your reason is, occult is still occult even if you change the brand name or label, it doesn’t change what’s in the tin. It doesn’t change the side effects of what’s going into your system.

You can’t use occult practises because they are fun and say that I’m doing it for whatever reason and not for an occult reason. It will have the same side effects.
 
Why is the head exorcist of the Vatican, the head exorcist of the International association of exorcists Fr Gabriel Amorthe, and his successor Fr Fortea, they both have said in interviews and in the books they’ve written that yoga is demonic and catholics need to stay clear of it completely, and that they are experiencing people with demonic oppression from practicing yoga.
They’ve compared it to the ouiji board. You cannot make a catholic ouiji board, it’s satan’s toy. You cannot do exercise or catholic yoga. The chants and positions are from another false religion and are consecrated to false spirits. No matter who you are or the reason you do yoga, saying one of those chants or positions worships the devil.
How come aetheists need deliverance after practicing occult? It doesn’t matter what your reason is, occult is still occult even if you change the brand name or label, it doesn’t change what’s in the tin. It doesn’t change the side effects of what’s going into your system.

You can’t use occult practises because they are fun and say that I’m doing it for whatever reason and not for an occult reason. It will have the same side effects.
I have heard this before. It would be interesting to see an actual document by Fr. Forteo or Fr. Amorthe directly applying to Yoga. 'Would be good for this thread…!
 
🙂 I’m not arguing against exercise, oh man-on-skies, I am simply attempting to put things in perspective because deceptively tame things can so easily snowball into something bad and yoga is one of those dangers, except more so, because the spiritual aspect is demonically centred. St. JPII would not, I think, have ever advocated yoga. It would be like saying: “let’s do black magic but don’t worry about the consequences because you are not wishing to worship Satan!”.

Also, Jesus showed us how to pray. And St. Paul said not to babble like pagans. Maybe this could also be applied to our physical expressions? I actually really love the position where one stands with hands touching over one’s head. It is beautiful to see the whole body resembling hands that are together praying but I know what its origin is. Until the Vatican says “yes” - like the Man from Del Monte - then this way I can’t acknowledge as blessed. Simple. When something has authorisation then we can see it as treading on Satan and his superstitions and demons etc…but I see no acceptance of this from Rome.
So your belief is that the Hindus of India are demon worshipers ? :rolleyes:

Jim
 
I have heard this before. It would be interesting to see an actual document by Fr. Forteo or Fr. Amorthe directly applying to Yoga. 'Would be good for this thread…!
In a definition from About.com, yoga is described as, “ . . . a disciplined path for purification of our attachments to the temporal world of form (bodies and objects) and the ever changing world of energy and mind, to experience the bliss and unity of consciousness as the unchanging, ever permanent, immortal and infinite Being.” Wow. Cool. Wait, what’s that about the immortal and infinite Being? Is that God? Or the devil? Or is it nothing if I just show up with a mat and stretch pants ready to limber up?
Just the Exercise?
Yoga is considered a whole body experience originating in Hinduism as a means to reach enlightenment through exercises and meditations that unite the body, mind, and spirit. For Catholics, worshiping or becoming one with a yoga deity breaks the First Commandment. You can’t bow or pray words to a false god, even ignorantly. An aethiest is still effected from occult if used ignorantly or ‘for good’.

See the website
catholic.com/magazine/articles/the-trouble-with-yoga

Fr Gabriel Amorthe (retired head of exorcism in the Vatican, and retired Head of the International Association of Exorcists) quotes;
''Satan is always hidden and what he most wants is for us not to believe in his existence.

He made a reference to the peace yoga gives cannot be presumed as from the Holy Spirit!

His words:
Yoga is the devil’s work. You think you are doing it for stretching your mind and body.

Practicing yoga brings evil.

Practicing Yoga is satanic.

His views may seem extreme, but in fact reflect previous warnings by Pope Benedict XVI, when as Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger he was the head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, the Vatican’s enforcer of doctrinal orthodoxy.

In 1999, six years before Pope Benedict succeeded John Paul II as Pope, he issued a document which warned Roman Catholics of the dangers of yoga, Zen, transcendental meditation and other 'eastern’ practises.

Yoga comes from the Hindu and eastern religions which have the false doctrines of reincarnation. It even predates Hinduism. It’s false spirits.

Catholics put themselves in great danger in actions or words that worship false spirits. You cannot get away unscathed.

It’s intoning things contrary to christian beliefs in a language you don’t know, bowing or calling false spirits.

The postures have physiological effects as well as spiritual ones. It you read the above website it demonstrates that people can NOT Christianise yoga. Can we Christianise black magic/ the occult/ the ouiji board/ black magic by just changing the words? Not if the postures are prayers to devils.
Even aetheists are oppressed if they dabble in the occult. It doesn’t matter the reason you cannot bow to false spirits in actions that have been consecrated to demons.

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So your belief is that the Hindus of India are demon worshipers ? :rolleyes:

Jim
Yoga predates Hinduism. It’s not of the Hindu belief set although there are similarities. People do not know the historic origin of yoga. But it’s belief sets are entirely incompatible with The Catholicism. Pope Benedict wrote a whole letter on this. He said it’s belief sets unchristianize us. Reincarnation. Etc He warned against all their meditations. This would not have been done lightly. Yoga was put in the same category as Transcendental Meditation (which is a practice to seek an out of body experience -which is occult.)
One of the commandments is : ‘Thou shalt not have strange gods before me.’
St Paul said in the New Testament letters somewhere; Do you know the false gods are fallen angels?’
 
Yoga predates Hinduism.
Origins of Yoga
The orgins of yoga reach all the way back to the Hindu religion, before Christ was even born. But many faithful churchgoers are chanting phrases from the Bible when they do their Downward Dog, and it’s causing yoga purists to lose their cool.
Susan Bordenkircher teaches a Monday night Christian yoga class called “Outstretched in Faith.”
“I approach each class as a way to share with people something great about their faith,” she said.
But which faith? Traditional yoga, with it’s roots in the Hindu religion, predates Christianity.
Its original goal was to develop self-awareness and find divinity within oneself.
Those Hindu ideals offend some Christians. Pope Benedict XVI has warned that yoga “can degenerate into a cult of the body.”
Cult of the body means to have an obsession with the physical self, which is found in activities such as body building and other exercises where the person is obsessed with physical appearance and ability.

Just as Buddhist use Rosary Beads, we would not stop praying the Rosary because people of that religion do.

The focus of our intention is what is important here and what Pope Benedict wrote about in his letter to the Bishops on Aspects of Christian Meditation.

Our focus inf intention is centered in Jesus Christ.

Jim
 
I have heard this before. It would be interesting to see an actual document by Fr. Forteo or Fr. Amorthe directly applying to Yoga. 'Would be good for this thread…!
Yoga has been thrown into the same category as New Age, by Catholic Exorcists throughout the world and New Age is under the category Occult/ Black Magic. Although it hides so subtly that we do not notice satan.

Quote of a catholic exorcist about yoga: Jesuit Father Gregory Jordan, an exorcist in Brisbane
“As the Christian vision of life receded into the background, people have uncertainty in their life and get curious for something of a spiritual nature that gives meaning, direction and purpose, so they’re attracted to fortune tellers or various practices like Yoga and Reiki.”
“The general rise of interest in the ‘New Age’ has become a significant source for people coming under the influence of the powers of darkness. Even what may appear innocuous can become the doorway to entry into a dark and dangerous world.
“Yoga … and (its associated) meditation, it involves suspending or emptying the mind and then it is opened to other spiritual influences.” (That are not of God)
 
There is Yoga Exercise, which most Americans do, and Yoga which incorporates Hindu Spirituality.

The later is generally what people who attack Yoga as being dangers are thinking of. The former, they have no idea about.

I’ve done Yoga exercises for many years and there is nothing spiritual about it. In fact, the Power Yoga routine I do is a good work out.

Just as Cardinal Ratzinger once wrote, we don’t reject what is good in Eastern Religions, just because they are not Catholic, but in fact use them for the good they do.

Yoga exercise is probably the best form of exercise a person can do for a life time.

Jim
yes, thank you. This type of thread gets tiresome. Many of us do yoga with no spiritual effect whatsoever and it’s annoying to be told I’m being chased by the devil. I’ve practiced yoga for many years, as exercise. Exercise. nothing more.
 
Why yoga is incompatible with Christianity:
It’s breaking the first commandment. In reiki the reiki masters are taught to pray to a photo of the man who started reiki with a language they do not understand! And there are healings! But it’s not God who heals but satan. Satan doesn’t mind healing temporarily if he can steal a soul or gain territory in their life because a person goes to the occult for healing.

Yoga also has words in another language that people are ignorant of.
It also has bowing to false spirits that people are ignorant of.

Catholic priest Fr. John Hardon, S.J., explains:

Yoga is incompatible with Catholicism because the best known practice of Hindu spirituality is Yoga. “Inner” Hinduism professes pantheism, which denies that there is only one infinite Being who created the world out of nothing. This pantheistic Hinduism says to the multitude of uncultured believers who follow the ways of the gods that they will receive the reward of the gods. They will have brief tastes of heaven between successive rebirths on earth. But they will never be delivered from the “wheel of existence” with its illusory lives and deaths until they realize that only “God” exists and all else is illusion (Maya). To achieve this liberation the principal way is by means of concentration and self control (yoga).

Indian spirituality is perhaps best known by the practice of yoga, derived from the root yuj to unite or yoke, which in context means union with the Absolute.

We are meant to be part of the body of Christ. Not one with a false spirit called ‘the Absolute.’
It says in the bible, ‘My people perish for lack of knowledge.’ Lack of knowledge about this can cause harm
 
Are you referring to “Some Aspects of Christian Meditation”?

If so I would like you thought on my other post:

Post #23

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=920230&page=2

I have boon doing yoga stretches for over 40 years and it has only been a blessing.

Thanks
Have a read through this website of people who did yoga and then needed catholic deliverance ministry:
ephesians511blog.com/2013/10/06/deliverance-yoga/

YOGA IS A HINDU MEDITATION TECHNIQUE WHOSE GOAL IS UNION WITH THE BRAHMAN OR THE IMPERSONAL ABSOLUTE. WHILE IT IS UNDERSTANDABLE FOR HINDUS TO EITHER WORSHIP THEIR DEITIES OR INDULGE IN THE PRACTISE OF YOGA, FOR CHRISTIANS TO DO SO IT WOULD MEAN TRANSGRESSING THE FIRST COMMANDMENT WHICH IS TO “HAVE NO OTHER GOD” THAN THE PERSONAL GOD OF THE BIBLE.

CHRISTIANS WHO PERFORM YOGA OR OTHER HINDU RITUALS MIGHT SUFFER HARMFUL SPIRITUAL AND EVEN PHYSICAL CONSEQUENCES BROUGHT ON BY THE “ELEMENTAL POWERS” THAT MAY BE ATTACHED TO THE DEITIES OR THEIR SYMBOLS AND RITUALS.
 
Quote of catholic evangelist involved in healing/ deliverance ministry:

I don’t have any personal knowledge of these therapies only that I know they are not of God’s Spirit.

For those of you who want to do more research, the Vatican Website and other church files state that the following practices and organisations are New Age/Occult practices and are therefore banned by the Catholic Church.

Enneagram, Reiki, Yoga, Rebirth, Biofeedback, Sensory Isolation, Holotropic breathing, hypnosis, mantras, fasting, sleep deprivation and transcendental meditation, Reincarnation, Channelling, Psychics, Mediums, Ascended Masters, Nature Spirits, Higher Self, Crystals, Feng-shui, Geomancy, Gaia, Human Potential Movement, Shamanism, Paganism, Druid, Wicca, Freemasonry, Neopaganism, Spiritualism, witchcraft.

There are many who will say that the Catholic Church is ‘not with the times’ and need to be open to these practices. The reason these practices are banned, is because the Catholic Church understands the hidden dangers behind these practices.

A priest who specializes in deliverance and healing the family tree argues otherwise.

Family Tree Priest quotes:
This is Father Yozefu-B. Ssemakula of Uganda (and now the Washington, D.C. area), who points out that while many are now using yoga as an exercise like aerobics or a means to relieve tension, it has deep spiritual undertones that cannot be avoided by those who believe they have taken the physical aspect of it — the discipline, the twisting, the relaxation techniques and even trance-like state — away from the mystical ones.

“Yoga is one whole thing, it’s one ‘package,’ just like I am one package,” argues the priest. “The split of exercises from their spiritual load is a good analysis in the mind, but it’s not a concrete reality out there. You did not invent yoga, so you can’t split it or put it together as you like. You cannot separate the rituals of Santeria from what they mean and say. For example, have you ever thought of that — doing the rituals of Santeria without its spiritual components? If you can’t do it with Santeria, how should you do it with Yoga?” [Terribly, 2012 Triple Crown winner in baseball Miguel Cabrera is a, ahem, Catholic, who also practices santeria, which is a form of demon worship, just like the death cult “santa muerte” that is becoming so popular in Mexico and with Hispanics in the US]
Yoga, like all forms of “new age,” is a very dangerous practice, spiritually. Even the various body positions assumed in yoga are a form of prayer – like a Catholic genuflecting before the Blessed Sacrament. All new age practices are extremely dangerous and should be totally avoided by all Catholics.

But back to yoga (for our discernment). Adds this priest (in The Healing of Families): “ Can you imagine the children of Israel telling God, ‘No, God, we are only bowing and prostrating ourselves before these statues of Baal just for the stretches it does to our backs and biceps and leg muscles. We don’t really care about about those statues in front of them, it’s not for them!‘

“Do you think God would buy that?” Father Yozefu asks.

It is a physical workout enjoyed by millions and its devotees include Madonna, Gwyneth Paltrow and Sting.

But yoga enthusiasts have been warned by a leading Roman Catholic clergyman that they are in danger of being possessed by the Devil.

Father Jeremy Davies, exorcist for Cardinal Cormac Murphy-O’Connor, the leader of Catholics in England and Wales, says that activities such as yoga, massage therapy, reiki or even reading horoscopes could put people at risk from evil spirits.

In a new book, he also argues that people with promiscuous lifestyles could find themselves afflicted by demons.

And he says that the occult is closely linked to the scourges of ‘drugs, demonic music and pornography’ which are ‘destroying millions of young people in our time’.

The 73-year-old Catholic priest, who was appointed exorcist of the Archdiocese of Westminster in 1986, was a medical doctor before being ordained in 1974.

He has carried out thousands of exorcisms in London and in 1993 he set up the International Association of Exorcists with Fr Gabriel Amorth, the Pope’s top exorcist.

An exorcist must be a catholic priest appointed by their bishop and trained in Rome in that ministry, they cannot exorcise anyone without express permission from their bishop for each individual case, and not until a psychological report has proved that the problem is not psychological in origin but demonic
 
For those of you who want to do more research, the Vatican Website and other church files state that the following practices and organisations are New Age/Occult practices and are therefore banned by the Catholic Church.

Enneagram, Reiki, Yoga, Rebirth, Biofeedback, Sensory Isolation, Holotropic breathing, hypnosis, mantras,** fasting**, sleep deprivation and transcendental meditation, Reincarnation, Channelling, Psychics, Mediums, Ascended Masters, Nature Spirits, Higher Self, Crystals, Feng-shui, Geomancy, Gaia, Human Potential Movement, Shamanism, Paganism, Druid, Wicca, Freemasonry, Neopaganism, Spiritualism, witchcraft.
Now even fasting is “new age” and also banned?🤷
 
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