Priest In Residence breaking GIRM & Cannon Laws?

[ItalianBoy1993]

Is a priest allowed to skip the Confiteor (outside of the easter season) and not have a Sprinkling Rite (because it is outside the easter season) and not have any type of penitential rite?

he goes right from the Sign of the Cross to the Kyrie and then to “May almighty God have mercy on us…” and skips the Confiteor.

Also, is the priest allowed to leave the Sanctuary during the sign of peace to make a sign of peace with the Congregation?

I am a 14 year old altar server and a priest that is in residence at my church is doing these things and I am starting to get fed up.

Should I consult the pastor?

 

[Cristiano]

The first thing for an altar server to practice is flexibility. There is a lot that you can learn from a priest in residence. Just talk to him.

 

[rwoehmke]

Yes my friend all is well except the greeting to the congregation which is an abuse, but not a huge one. If you are fed up at 14, I dread what you will be by the time you are 21. Life is too vital to be fed up at 14.

 

[ItalianBoy1993]

So, let’s recap.

-The Confiteor can be skipped without having a Penitential Rite
(ex: Sign of the Cross, Kyrie, May Almighty God have mercy…)
-The Sprinkling Rite can only be done in the Easter Season
-He should not be going to greet the Congregation during the sign of peace

Please give your feedback. Thank you.

 

[rwoehmke]

The Kyrie is a part of a penitential rite, is it not? There are approved alternates to the Confiteor. Sprinkling is not required at every Mass.

 

[Cristiano]

I’m not interested in speaking to him about this until I know for an absolute fact that he is or is not permitted to skip the confiteor without the Sprinkling Rite outside the easter season.

This to me appears as a very arrogant behavior. You think that anyone in this forum (people that you do not know) and yourself are better than the priest.

 

[StatCrux]

According to the Missal the Kyrie is one of the Penitential Rites that can be used. There are three options total, and the Confiteor is just the first option. Frankly, I prefer the Confiteor, but the priest is perfectly allowed to say the Kyrie. Nothing wrong with politely and charitably suggesting it be used more often.

I have not found the document that says the Asperges can only be used during the Easter season. The only instructions in the Missal are:

The rite of blessing and sprinkling of holy water may be celebrated in all churches and chapels at all Sunday Masses celebrated on Sunday or on Saturday evening.

It should be noted the Missal say “MAY BE CELEBRATED” your priest does not have to. In the Missal there is a special blessing of the water specifically to be used only in the Easter season. Again, this suggests that the rite is not limited to the Easter season.

As to leaving the sanctuary during the sign of peace, this abuse has been dealt with many times. It is not allowed except under unusual circumstances. From the GIRM (General Instruction of the Roman Missal) 154:

"The priest may give the sign of peace to the ministers but always remains within the sanctuary, so as not to disturb the celebration. In the dioceses of the United States of America, for a good reason, on special occasions (for example, in the case of a funeral, a wedding, or when civic leaders are present) the priest may offer the sign of peace to a few of the faithful near the sanctuary.

Remember to be charitable when you speak with your priest about leaving the sanctuary. He might just not be aware that he is doing anything wrong.

Peace,

SC

 

[Servulus]

Guidance may be found in the GIRM or Redemptionis Sacramentum

-The Confiteor can be skipped without having a Penitential Rite
(ex: Sign of the Cross, Kyrie, May Almighty God have mercy…)

See GIRM #49 & 50

-The Sprinkling Rite can only be done in the Easter Season

See GIRM #51 & 52

-He should not be going to greet the Congregation during the sign of peace

See RS #72

Hope that helps.

 

[StatCrux]

Ah, found it.

GIRM 52:

“On Sundays, especially in the Season of Easter, in place of the customary Act of Penitence, from time to time the blessing and sprinkling of water to recall Baptism may take place.”

The GIRM says the Asperges may take place on Sundays and is done especially but not exclusively during the Easter season.

 

[bpbasilphx]

Breaking cannon laws is violating artillery procedures.

Church laws are called “canons”.

 

[Malcolm_McLean]

This to me appears as a very arrogant behavior. You think that anyone in this forum (people that you do not know) and yourself are better than the priest.

Children have a psychological need for clear rules. It is not arrogance. It is immature, but we have a period of childhood for a reason.

 

[Cristiano]

Children have a psychological need for clear rules. It is not arrogance. It is immature, but we have a period of childhood for a reason.

A 14 year old is not a child but he is already going through adolescence. Arrogance is a sign of immaturity, and it is also typical of adolescents, when they learn to affirm their independence. Nothing intrinsically wrong with that. However, they must be taught (and here we bring the boundaries) what proper behaviors are. Such behaviors cover a broad spectrum including critical thinking and interpersonal relations.

When it comes to the Church first you ask a priest and not some stranger in a forum. I have not seen anyone suggesting the concept of developing communication skills by addressing the individual in question. The lack of interest in going to the source is not just matter of social skills but of critical analysis. I have seen a lot of people believing in the dumbest stuff just because they read it over the web.

I think that in this forum we have to push the young ones on the right path. A little bit more than a year ago there was this young man (a teenager) that was starting to approach the Church against the wishes or indifference of his mother and stepfather. People mentored him in choosing the right behaviors instead of just telling him what to do and now he has a spiritual director, he is considering the priesthood and he is developing the ability to critically address issues without waiting to be fed information from this forum.

 

[ItalianBoy1993]

I did ask a priest first, and he gave me an indirect answer, thus I came to the forums for something a little bit more clear.

 

[Cristiano]

I did ask a priest first, and he gave me an indirect answer, thus I came to the forums for something a little bit more clear.

You did the right thing since the beginning. It was not clear to me from your posts. I apologize for misreading your situation.