Priest led prayer to St. Michael needs to return to the Holy Mass

[malphono]

Yes, it helped very much. First, you failed to mention that I asked for proof that Pope Leo’s vision was a “pious tale” as you said. The truth is, we don’t know. I, for one, find no proof that it was false, just the modernist’s claims, born from a distaste for anything which deals with supernatural visions or occurances. (Note how long we went with no mention of Fatima").

Excuse me but I said nothing about a “pious tale” or the like. That was another poster. What I did was provide a link to the history of the Leonine Prayers to support the fact that they were originally introduced as prayers for the temporal power of the Papal States.

The commentary in the link is just that: a commentary. It is nothing more than the author’s opinion, and I am not the author of the article.

As for the vision, as you say, no one knows whether there was a vision or not. Absent any official verification or testimony, in fact it can be said to be a “pious tale” after all.

 

[CradleCath]

Excuse me but I

said nothing about a “pious tale” or the like. That was another poster. What I did was provide a link to the history of the Leonine Prayers to support the fact that they were originally introduced as prayers for the temporal power of the Papal States.

Apologies. You are right. It was another poster who called the vision attributed to Pope Leo as a fable:

**Originally Posted by bpbasilphx
Pope Leo XIII ordered this prayer to be said after all Masses.

And the supposed vision of Pope Leo XIII is a pious fable.**

As for the vision, as you say, no one knows whether there was a vision or not. Absent any official verification or testimony, in fact it can be said to be a “pious tale” after all.

 

[CradleCath]

All of this begs the question how on Earth did the Church manage to survive those 1800-some years without the Prayer to St Michael ever being said anywhere - by anyone - let alone after Mass!

aquinasandmore.com/index.cfm/title/St.-Michael-the-Archangel/FuseAction/store.displayArticle/article/183/

Devotion in the Early Catholic Church
As Michael was an advocate for the people of God under the Old Law, he continues to be protector in the New Law after the coming of Jesus. Devotion to St. Michael has been present in the lives of the Catholic faithful from the earliest centuries of the Church. As he was the advocate of the patriarchs in the Old Testament, and is believed by many eminent Doctors of the Church to have been the angel assigned to be with the Savior in His 33 years on earth, Michael is now considered the Guardian of the Blessed Sacrament.

And, of course, John Paul’s devotion to St. Michael & the prayer for his intercession against the devil, is well-known. When he gave us the indult for the Mass of the ages, he asked us to pray to St. Michael, if not after Mass…privately.

 

[EasterJoy]

All of this begs the question how on Earth did the Church manage to survive those 1800-some years without the Prayer to St Michael ever being said anywhere - by anyone - let alone after Mass!

Maybe a better question is this: in times when evil so openly attacks us on all sides, are we better with it or without it? The devil has always prowled, but these are times when he roams more brazenly than some others. Yet how many believe the devil even exists, or think to call upon angelic powers for assistance? The devil is profiting from the unexamined lie that angels and devils exist only in fables and superstition.

I don’t know that I’d go so far to say that the prayer to St. Michael is “needed”, but we used to say it after Mass when I was growing up, and I think it was a good thing. If a priest came to our parish and started the tradition there, I’d be agreeable.

 

[Musicadmirer]

1. The Prayer to St. Michael among the Leonine prayers is NOT a prayer of exorcism.

From the Pieta Prayer Book: Prayer to St. Michael

"This powerful prayer of Exorcim was composed by Pope Leo XIII. In a vision, he had been shown the fearful battle to be waged between Satan and St. Michael over the Church of the future. Now, as never before, the Church needs the intercession of St. Michael! Please say this prayer every day.

Indulgenced by Pope Leo XIII, Sept. 25, 1888. Raccolta #447, 2004"

 

[bpbasilphx]

From the Pieta Prayer Book: Prayer to St. Michael

"This powerful prayer of Exorcim was composed by Pope Leo XIII. In a vision, he had been shown the fearful battle to be waged between Satan and St. Michael over the Church of the future. Now, as never before, the Church needs the intercession of St. Michael! Please say this prayer every day.

Indulgenced by Pope Leo XIII, Sept. 25, 1888. Raccolta #447, 2004"

As everyone knows, pious commentaries in prayer books are the infallilble teaching of the Church. Right?

This is precisely what St. Paul called a “cunningly devised fable” which we should not believe. There are several versions of this prayer connected with several versions of the vision, some of which are dated to AFTER the Leonine prayers were enjoined.

The prayer to St. Michael in the Leonine Prayers is NOT the prayer of exorcism attributed to St. Leo XIII, which you can find here:

durenmar.de/articles/exorcism.html

Again, I’m saying nothing against the prayer itself.

 

[Lorrie]

I thought that this was not a part of a mass but rather a devotion that happened after the final blessing.

This is how it’s said at the noon Mass at my parish during the week. After the priest gives the final blessing he immediately begins saying the prayer to St. Michael and we all chime in.

 

[LilyM]

Maybe a better question is this: in times when evil so openly attacks us on all sides, are we better with it or without it? The devil has always prowled, but these are times when he roams more brazenly than some others. Yet how many believe the devil even exists, or think to call upon angelic powers for assistance? The devil is profiting from the unexamined lie that angels and devils exist only in fables and superstition.

I don’t know that I’d go so far to say that the prayer to St. Michael is “needed”, but we used to say it after Mass when I was growing up, and I think it was a good thing. If a priest came to our parish and started the tradition there, I’d be agreeable.

By that logic we should all be praying as much as possible - to St Michael and every other blessed Angel and Saint out there. And not just the St Michael prayer but others like the Rosary that are less used today than in former times.

In fact for maximum benefit we should spend our entire days with our keesters parked permanently in the pews of our nearest church praying, and simply never leave, when it boils down to it.

 

[bpbasilphx]

Is not the Eucharistic Sacrifice itself the most powerful prayer against evil that we have?

Is it really necessary to append other prayers to it?