Priest not presiding at funeral, clothes?

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A question popped into my mind after an aquaintance passed away lately, if a Priest is atttending a funeral but not presiding, what clothes would he wear, choir dress, or something else?

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The General Instruction of the Roman Missal states:
  1. For it is preferable that priests who are present at a Eucharistic Celebration, unless excused for a good reason, should as a rule exercise the office proper to their Order and hence take part as concelebrants, wearing the sacred vestments. Otherwise, they wear their proper choir dress or a surplice over a cassock.
  2. … Likewise, seats should be arranged in the sanctuary for concelebrating priests as well as for priests who are present for the celebration in choir dress but who are not concelebrating.
The 2004 InstructionRedemptionis Sacramentum adds:
  1. … It is not fitting, except in rare and exceptional cases and with reasonable cause, for them to participate at Mass, as regards to externals, in the manner of the lay faithful.
 
You’re welcome. Which branch of Lutheranism are you from, BTW?
 
Evangelical-Lutheran Church of Sweden, officially split from Rome 1599, reformation started about 1525. It is High Church (traditional) liturgically but very liberal theologically.
 
Interesting. Does the minister face East for the communion service?
 
If I remember correctly they used to face east but don’t do anymore.
 
Keep in mind that in the RC Church, a cleric has faculties to exercise his ministry only within his diocese. A priest, deacon or bishop outside of his diocese can’t just vest and concelebrate without permission from the local bishop.

That’s the rule. Whether it is followed or not is another story but that is the way it is supposed to work.

I am open to correction.

-Tim-
 
TimothyH said:
Keep in mind that in the RC Church, a cleric has faculties to exercise his ministry only within his diocese. A priest, deacon or bishop outside of his diocese can’t just vest and concelebrate without permission from the local bishop.

That’s the rule. Whether it is followed or not is another story but that is the way it is supposed to work.

I am open to correction.

-Tim-
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Not necessarily. Faculties are necessary for witnessing marriages, hearing confessions, performing confirmations. One can hold faculties in multiple dioceses–some dioceses even allow priests who receive faculties within them to exercise those same faculties elsewhere in the same ecclesiastical province (e.g. if one has faculties in any diocese in the Province of Ohio, he has the same in every diocese therein).

The celebration (or concelebration) of Mass does not require a faculty, since faculties are necessary for the validity of the sacraments. Public celebration requires only the permission of the pastor of the parish. No recourse to the bishop is necessary.

-ACEGC
 
edward_george said:
Not necessarily. Faculties are necessary for witnessing marriages, hearing confessions, performing confirmations. One can hold faculties in multiple dioceses–some dioceses even allow priests who receive faculties within them to exercise those same faculties elsewhere in the same ecclesiastical province (e.g. if one has faculties in any diocese in the Province of Ohio, he has the same in every diocese therein).

The celebration (or concelebration) of Mass does not require a faculty, since faculties are necessary for the validity of the sacraments. Public celebration requires only the permission of the pastor of the parish. No recourse to the bishop is necessary.

-ACEGC
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Thanks for this. Can you clarify the part in bold/red? I’m a little confused.

If faculties are necessary for the validity of the sacraments then why does Mass not require faculties? Is it an issue of public vs private celebration of the Mass?

I recall that Brother JR wrote about this and the word “jurisdiction” is in my mind but I can’t remember exactly what he stated.

-Tim-
 
TimothyH said:
Thanks for this. Can you clarify the part in bold/red? I’m a little confused.

If faculties are necessary for the validity of the sacraments then why does Mass not require faculties? Is it an issue of public vs private celebration of the Mass?

I recall that Brother JR wrote about this and the word “jurisdiction” is in my mind but I can’t remember exactly what he stated.

-Tim-
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No, a Mass is valid where a validly-ordained priest intends to do what the Church does in celebrating Mass. A priest needs faculties to celebrate it licitly, that is, to celebrate it without being sinfully disobedient. So when a priest, knowingly, without faculties to do so, celebrates the Mass, the priest might be committing a sin, perhaps a mortal sin, but it is a Mass, i.e. there really is present in the species the body and blood, soul and devinity of Jesus Christ.

Confessions and marriages are a different kettle of fish, because the Church requires faculties for their validity (with a narrow mistake of fact exception).
 
To clarify further, confirmation, confession, and marriage all require the faculty of the bishop to be valid, because they are extensions of his apostolic ministry. Without the faculty granted by the bishop (or in some cases, supplied by the law, but this is very rare) these sacraments cannot be conferred validly.

In the case of the other sacraments, a priest may confer them in virtue of his ordination–and so a faculty is not necessary for validity. Permission might be needed for liceity, but faculty is not necessary for validity. So to celebrate Mass in public, a priest might need permission of whomever is in charge in a given situation, but he can do so validly whether he has permission or not.

-ACEGC
 
Park preost would norms wear a surplice over a cassock. But if he going to give out comuion or doing a blessing e.g coffin then he will need to wear a stole
 
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