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I have noticed that my priest will not say the word “men” during the part where we say “for us men and our salvation, He came down from heaven” I went to Mass while on vacation a couple of weeks ago and the priest there did the very same thing. Can anyone shed any light on this?

I asked this in the AAA forum but it went unanswered.
 
You’d have to ask the priest(s) who do this why they do it. To speculate on a reason would be just that – speculation.

Deacon Ed
 
Sure, I could do that but I wanted to ask here first. I just thought it was interesting that two priests from two different dioceses did this. I’m a convert and I’m still learning.
 
TennMark38107 said:
I have noticed that my priest will not say the word “men” during the part where we say “for us men and our salvation, He came down from heaven” I went to Mass while on vacation a couple of weeks ago and the priest there did the very same thing. Can anyone shed any light on this?

I asked this in the AAA forum but it went unanswered.
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Well he is probably trying to use inclusive language…:rolleyes: Our preist does the same amd changes words in another prayer…
Whatever his reason …its not right…
 
The priests aren’t leaving out “for us men”, it simply isn’t in the modern translation of the Nicene Creed. A new English translation of the liturgy of the Mass has been approved, though. Perhaps this phrase will be restored. We can only hope.
 
Della said:
The priests aren’t leaving out “for us men”, it simply isn’t in the modern translation of the Nicene Creed. A new English translation of the liturgy of the Mass has been approved, though. Perhaps this phrase will be restored. We can only hope.
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For us men is in the current missal…We’ve always done it like that until our current priest came…:confused:
 
TennMark38107 said:
I have noticed that my priest will not say the word “men” during the part where we say “for us men and our salvation, He came down from heaven” I went to Mass while on vacation a couple of weeks ago and the priest there did the very same thing. Can anyone shed any light on this?

I asked this in the AAA forum but it went unanswered.
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It’s called trying to turn the Church into a politically correct organism. Habits like this go down a slippery slope towards calling God “she”.
 
To the OP, does this sound a bit familiar:
“For us and for our salvation, Jesus came down from Heaven. By the power of the Holy Spirit, Jesus was born of the Virgin Mary and became one of us.”

And let us not forget:
“May the Lord accept the sacrifce at your hands, for the praise and glory of God’s name, for our good and the good of all God’s church.”

And that thing you just said about calling God she. You’re too late. It’s somewhat common in these parts. But I don’t want to get going again.

Anyway, it’s a shame that this happens.
 
“May the Lord accept the sacrifce at **our **hands, for the praise and glory of God’s name, for our good and the good of all God’s church.”

Thats the way at our parish…(your is changed to our)
 
From the 2004 Instruction Redemptionis Sacramentum:
“[59.] The reprobated practice by which Priests, Deacons or the faithful here and there alter or vary at will the texts of the Sacred Liturgy that they are charged to pronounce, must cease. For in doing thus, they render the celebration of the Sacred Liturgy unstable, and not infrequently distort the authentic meaning of the Liturgy.”
This document has near the end:
“This Instruction, prepared by the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments by mandate of the Supreme Pontiff John Paul II in collaboration with the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, was approved by the same Pontiff on the Solemnity of St. Joseph, 19 March 2004, and he ordered it to be published and to be observed immediately by all concerned.”
 
I am constantly amazed by the number of priests who feel the need to clear their throats at exactly that moment.

Betsy
 
TennMark38107 said:
I have noticed that my priest will not say the word “men” during the part where we say “for us men and our salvation, He came down from heaven” I went to Mass while on vacation a couple of weeks ago and the priest there did the very same thing. Can anyone shed any light on this?

I asked this in the AAA forum but it went unanswered.
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Some do this because they feel the word “Men” is sexist language. They don’t realize that the word in the original language of the Creed did not mean “male”, but human being.
 
As a new convert, this is painful to hear.

One of reasons I converted was the ‘uniformity’ of RC rubrics, being under leadership of our Holy See and College of Bishops. Although these infractions may be minor, reminds me of differences in our local Baptist or Lutheran assemblies. I did not convert to hear a ‘politically correct’ Mass, but worship in the true beauty and grace of our founding fathers, even if that may mean language that may be considered sexist by todays standards.

Thank goodness my parish conforms. If not, even as a newbie, I would talk with our Pastor.
 
Della said:
The priests aren’t leaving out “for us men”, it simply isn’t in the modern translation of the Nicene Creed. A new English translation of the liturgy of the Mass has been approved, though. Perhaps this phrase will be restored. We can only hope.
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Hi Della,

Can you give a reference? As far as I know, there is no updated Nicene Creed, approved for use in the Mass or otherwise. I sure hope you’re mistaken.

At any rate, the OP is talking about the priest saying “for us ___ and for our…” No specualtion necessary. I am friends with a priest who got caught up in this feminist nonsense. He since stopped, but a number of his brother priests are scared to death to offend the militant feminists. Funny… they don’t seem to mnd offending everyone else. It is the height of mindless, idiotic capitulation. It does nothing but tell the whackos that the Church really is misogynistic.
 
At our church we exclusively use the Apostles Creed and never the Nicene Creed.
 
Yes, they have caved in to feminism. I had a priest directly allude to that in a conversation we had. It is disobedience, pure and simple. Yes, the word “men” is in the good ole “missalette”, the Creed has not been changed. As I stated in another post several days ago, to leave out the word “men”, insults my intelligence, that as a woman I don’t know that I am part of mankind. I say “men” nice and loud. 😃
That’s sad Light Seeker, that it would scandalize you. Let’s pray for our priests and bishops to have backbones!
 
Della said:
The priests aren’t leaving out “for us men”, it simply isn’t in the modern translation of the Nicene Creed. A new English translation of the liturgy of the Mass has been approved, though. Perhaps this phrase will be restored. We can only hope.
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Still curious to see a reference if you can post one. Thanks.
 
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I will point out that “anthropos” (the word used in the Greek text of the creed at this point) properly means “generic human being,” as opposed to ANIR which is gender specific male. There is a similar use in Latin HOMO as opposed to VIR and the Slavonic CHELLOVEK as opposed to MUZH.

I know of one extremely pious and learned Orthodox bishop who says “who for us and for our salvation” and “and was made human” when he recites the Creed in English–and Greek is his first language.
 
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I know of one extremely pious and learned Orthodox bishop who says “who for us and for our salvation” and “and was made human” when he recites the Creed in English–and Greek is his first language.
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Leaving aside any attempts at Polictical Correctness, that translation is lacking in that is does not denote who exacty Christ came for.

Does ‘for us’ mean just those present here in Church who are reciting this, or something more.

The English language is very imprecise in this regard, the Greek and Latin less so.
 
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