Priest played a Star of David tambourine while he processed out of the church

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We thought something was off when the congregation applauded the priest after his homily. We thought it was a little out of the ordinary to see a child standing with the Ministers of Holy Communion around the altar. What really blew us away though was at the end of Mass the priest processed down the center isle playing a Star of David shaped (ribbons included) tambourine. There were no altar servers at the Mass only the concelebrant. The concelebrant processed after the celebrant blessing people in the pews as he went along. There was no processional cross.

Okay just because We’ve never witnessed these things doesn’t mean we witnessed any liturgical abuses but these occurances sure seemed wrong. Since this isn’t our parish is it my place to ask?
 
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St.Claire:
Location: Catholic church in Irvine California

Sunday Mass

We thought something was off when the congregation applauded the priest after his homily. We thought it was a little out of the ordinary to see a child standing with the Ministers of Holy Communion around the altar. What really blew us away though was at the end of Mass the priest processed down the center isle playing a Star of David shaped (ribbons included) tambourine. There were no altar servers at the Mass only the concelebrant. The concelebrant processed after the celebrant blessing people in the pews as he went along. There was no processional cross.

Okay just because We’ve never witnessed these things doesn’t mean we witnessed any liturgical abuses but these occurances sure seemed wrong. Since this isn’t our parish is it my place to ask?
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It seems to be getting worse, sad to say. This new Pope is going to have to have onions to correct all these liturgical abuses. Did the priest dance the hussle as well? Or merengue?
 
  1. There was no processional cross. This was Wrong!!!
    2, The priest processed down the center isle playing a Star of David shaped (ribbons included) tambourine. There seems to me Nothing wrong with this exspecially if they was singing a Hymn…
    So far as I know this does not break any rubics or can be called abuse… BUT he should always have the Processional cross
Pax et Bonum
 
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misericordie:
This new Pope is going to have to have onions to correct all these liturgical abuses.
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OK, I’ll admit, I have no idea how the Pope’s bad breath will stop abuses. Can you explain that for me? :confused:

I voted no, as I don’t know of any Church rule that would prevent the priest from playing a tambourine during Mass. I don’t think I’ve ever seen that, but I don’t think it would bother me, either.

The applause after the homily really bothers me. We had a priest for a wile in our parish who would actually ask for applause after the homily. It was really awful. He didn’t last long there. :whacky:
 
Michael Welter:
OK, I’ll admit, I have no idea how the Pope’s bad breath will stop abuses. Can you explain that for me? :confused:
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I think the use of the word “onions” was a poor attempt to use a word in place of a part of a man’s anatomy that are shaped like onions and one is said to be acting manly when one has a pair of these.
I voted no, as I don’t know of any Church rule that would prevent the priest from playing a tambourine during Mass. I don’t think I’ve ever seen that, but I don’t think it would bother me, either.
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This is the problem of people looking so hard for abuses that they see them in everything they do not like or in things they have not see before.
The applause after the homily really bothers me. We had a priest for a wile in our parish who would actually ask for applause after the homily. It was really awful. He didn’t last long there. :whacky:
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Yes, in our culture I think applause are not correct, but again, they are not an abuse. Just look at all the applause during the week following the Holy Father’s death.
 
I seriously wish the Church would adopt some international policies to prevent the Catholic Church from looking like a bunch of hippies in one place, and a serious place of worship in others. If the Church is universal it needs to be consistent.

-D
 
casper1949 said:
1. There was no processional cross. This was Wrong!!!
2, The priest processed down the center isle playing a Star of David shaped (ribbons included) tambourine. There seems to me Nothing wrong with this exspecially if they was singing a Hymn…
So far as I know this does not break any rubics or can be called abuse… BUT he should always have the Processional cross

Pax et Bonum
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Have you ever heard of a document called: Redemptionis Sacramentum? Or GIRM?
 
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ByzCath:
I think the use of the word “onions” was a poor attempt to use a word in place of a part of a man’s anatomy that are shaped like onions and one is said to be acting manly when one has a pair of these.
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Oh. :o Thanks for the clarification.
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ByzCath:
This is the problem of people looking so hard for abuses that they see them in everything they do not like or in things they have not see before.
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Well said. I’ve noticed, too.
 
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misericordie:
Have you ever heard of a document called: Redemptionis Sacramentum? Or GIRM?
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Yes, but I don’t recall seeing anything in these documents that forbid a priest from playing a tambourine during Mass. Can you give a specific referrence?
 
Then David, girt with a linen apron, came dancing before the LORD with abandon, as he and all the Israelites were bringing up the ark of the LORD with shouts of joy and to the sound of the horn. 2Samuel 6:14-15

As David Did MIDI 😉

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Lyrics
When the spirit of the Lord
moves upon my heart
I will dance like David danced
When the spirit of the Lord
moves upon my heart
I will dance like David danced

I will dance, I will dance
I will dance, like David danced
I will dance, I will dance
I will dance, like David danced
 
I can’t find anything wrong with the tambourine, or the concelebrant blessing as he went. It’s not to my taste, but it’s not wrong.
 
The tambourine is an abuse because the GIRM does not dictate that one ought to be played by the priest in the recessional. As long as the priest is the celebrant, he must not do what is not prescribed in the rubrics. This is also why holding hands during the Our Father is an abuse–because it is not in the rubrics, and is an even bigger abuse if used as a sign of unity amongst the faithful because the Eucharist is the sign of unity of the faithful, not holding anyone’s hand for any reason. The GIRM exists for a purpose, people, and those who use it as a mere guideline (priests and liturgists) are the reason why we find hippie hootenannies in one parish and God knows what in the next!
 
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Della:
The tambourine is an abuse because the GIRM does not dictate that one ought to be played by the priest in the recessional. As long as the priest is the celebrant, he must not do what is not prescribed in the rubrics. This is also why holding hands during the Our Father is an abuse–because it is not in the rubrics, and is an even bigger abuse if used as a sign of unity amongst the faithful because the Eucharist is the sign of unity of the faithful, not holding anyone’s hand for any reason. The GIRM exists for a purpose, people, and those who use it as a mere guideline (priests and liturgists) are the reason why we find hippie hootenannies in one parish and God knows what in the next!
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I took a look at the GIRM. Taking what you say then if the priest and those in the procession at the Entrance sing the Hymn, then that is an abuse as it specifically says that the Entrance song is sung by the Cantor and Congregation or the Chior and Congregation or the Chior only or the Congregation only. So then if the Cantor and the Chior and the Congregation sing it together, it is an abuse.

Also, the procession leaving the Altar is not really part of the Mass as the Mass ends with the Dismissal.

The GIRM mentions nothing about this procession. So since it is not mentioned I guess it is an abuse. The priest should not leave as it does not say he should.

I understand the argument you are making. My point here is that you can take this argument too far.
 
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ByzCath:
I took a look at the GIRM. Taking what you say then if the priest and those in the procession at the Entrance sing the Hymn, then that is an abuse as it specifically says that the Entrance song is sung by the Cantor and Congregation or the Chior and Congregation or the Chior only or the Congregation only. So then if the Cantor and the Chior and the Congregation sing it together, it is an abuse.

Also, the procession leaving the Altar is not really part of the Mass as the Mass ends with the Dismissal.

The GIRM mentions nothing about this procession. So since it is not mentioned I guess it is an abuse. The priest should not leave as it does not say he should.

I understand the argument you are making. My point here is that you can take this argument too far.
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Yes, of course it can be taken too far, but considering how so many liturgists and priests are blasé about or simply ignore the GIRM, I don’t think I can be charged with going too far one way when they don’t go that way at all. And if the priest is not required to sing, it is obvious that he doesn’t have to. Not all priests are musical people. The recessional actually should only be a part of high Masses. You are right. The Mass ends with the Dismissal, so the priest should only exist the altar and go back to the sacristy, but since most of our modern churches have the sacristry at the back of the church instead of near the sanctuary, the priest can’t help but recess down the aisle. In any case, the priest ought not to be playing any instrument as a part of the recessional be it a tambourine or a glockenspiel.
 
I forgot to mention that this was a Charismatic Mass does that make any difference whether it was an abuse or not?
 
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Della:
Yes, of course it can be taken too far, but considering how so many liturgists and priests are blasé about or simply ignore the GIRM, I don’t think I can be charged with going too far one way when they don’t go that way at all. And if the priest is not required to sing, it is obvious that he doesn’t have to. Not all priests are musical people. The recessional actually should only be a part of high Masses. You are right. The Mass ends with the Dismissal, so the priest should only exist the altar and go back to the sacristy, but since most of our modern churches have the sacristry at the back of the church instead of near the sanctuary, the priest can’t help but recess down the aisle. In any case, the priest ought not to be playing any instrument as a part of the recessional be it a tambourine or a glockenspiel.
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No, the GIRM does not say that the priest and those in the Entrance procession are to sing, so taking your argument, as it does not say they are to sing, then if they sing they are commiting an abuse. That is taking this argument too far.

As for the other part. I have never seen a Church that has the sacristy in the back of the Church. Every Church I have been in has the sacristy off the Sanctuary and some of these Churches have been very new. Guess I have been lucky.
 
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St.Claire:
I forgot to mention that this was a Charismatic Mass does that make any difference whether it was an abuse or not?
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No, as there really is no such thing as a Charismatic Mass.

A Mass is a Mass.

How was this Mass different? What made it into a Charismatic Mass? That could have been an abuse all in itself.
 
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