Priest refuses Communion to someone

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ALLFORHIM said:
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Well then he would probably have to deny everyone all the time.šŸ˜¦ Then there would be no more communion. All humans sin everyday. Some we dont even know we do. We probably sin after church on sunday.:eek:
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Iā€™m talking about a Mortal Sin and you know that. Also a ā€œrepeat offenderā€ and the Parish Preist knows this.
Most of us try as we can to not Sin but of course as humans we do sometimes fall, but in the case of Nancy P. she publicly sins by repeating her stand on Abortion.
 
kim3260 said:
Iā€™m talking about a Mortal Sin and you know that. Also a ā€œrepeat offenderā€ and the Parish Preist knows this.
Most of us try as we can to not Sin but of course as humans we do sometimes fall, but in the case of Nancy P. she publicly sins by repeating her stand on Abortion.
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Hi,

Yes I understand now and I totally agree:thumbsup:
 
Damascus said:
Okay everyone here is Ms. Pelosi and her pure kind heart speaking about our beloved Mother Church.

ANATHAMA. She is so openly defiant it is sickning.

usatoday.com/news/washington/2004-04-29-pelosi-communion_x.htm

Yes, this is an older article. Go to her web page and see her stand on abortion. She is despicable.
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Truly unbelievable. Christ warned us against serving two gods. She is trying to serve political power and God. Looks like she needs to use her free will and ā€œchoose.ā€ An excellent opportunity for the Church to show her the Way if she continues to support murder.
 
Lampo said:
I told my wife that any priest that knows Nancy Pelosiā€™s voting record would be obligated to refuse to give her the Eucharist if she went up for communion. My wife said she thinkā€™s thatā€™s wrong. I told her that if the priest knows that a person is of mortal sin he is not to administer the Sacrament. My wife said he doesnā€™t know for sure. What if Nancy Pelosi went to confession right before mass? My wife said the priest would have to ask every single person in line for communion if they are in a state of grace. Anyone know of any articles on when a priest has refused to administer the Sacrament of communion to someone? Thanks.
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The following will be discussed at the fall meeting of the USCCB Conference, 13-14 November 2006.

The statement reiterates Church teaching that with ā€œfew exceptions, only those who are members of the Catholic Church may receive Holy Communion at a Catholic Eucharist.ā€ Catholics should strive ā€œto receive Holy Communion regularly, gratefully, and worthily,ā€ but should refrain from the sacrament when they find themselves no longer in a state of grace because of mortal sin, which is an act violating Godā€™s law that involves grave matter and that is performed with both full knowledge and complete consent of the will. Catholics who are conscious of committing any mortal sin must receive the Sacrament of Penance before receiving Holy Communion. Catholics should also refrain from Holy Communion, according to the statement, when they lack adherence to what the Church authoritatively teaches on matters of faith and morals or when a person is publicly known to have committed serious sin.

USCCB.org is the link.

During the spring conference the USCCB decided to leave it up to each bishop to establish policies within his authority. The question is: When someone approaches the Blessed Sacrament, who really knows if that person has gone to confession? Who can judge the current state of a soul? Normally the policy has been for the bishop to discuss the matter with the official and come to some agreement that would protect the individual, as well as, church teachings. Some have decided that the individual is responsible for their soul and the condition of which they receive the Sacrament. We shall see what the USCCB approves in a few short days. EWTN will carry live shows with commentary concerning all the issues.
 
I think the sin is compounded by the fact that Ms. Pelosi influences others to sin due to the nature of her leadership and therefore role model position. In fact, by passing laws favoring abortion, she makes it easier for others to sin.

I wouldnā€™t want to face Christ at judgement with that on my conscience.

Thatā€™s one of the reasons we were all so upset over Ted Haggardā€™s sin. He was a leader, THE leader of the evangelicals. A few months ago, Christianity Today ran an article about him, and I believe the point was made that heā€™s about as close as you can get to a Protestant ā€œpope.ā€

Now that he has been found guilty of this kind of sin, others who are weak will be even weaker and more likely to yield to temptation. After all, the LEADER sinned. And heā€™s still forgiven of all his sins and going to heaven. So why does it matter if someone sins? (Thatā€™s one of my problems with Protestant theology, BTW. Fuzzy motivation to quit sinning.)

It seems to me that if you are a leader in the Church and you know that you are tangled up in grave sin, you should step down. You should tell the other church leaders straight out what sin you are involved in (so they donā€™t think itā€™s something minor like drinking Pepsi during your break instead of drinking orange juice).

I wonder what the NAE would have said if Pastor Haggard had said, ā€œIā€™m guilty of homosexual acts and drug addiction.ā€ Thatā€™s an eye-opener. Why, why WHY did he stick with leading? And why, why, WHY does Ms. Pelosi stick with the Catholic Church? Why doesnā€™t another church woo her over to their camp?!
 
I am going to go so far as to say that ANY priest or minister who gives the Eucharist to a person whom he knows to support abortion has himself became an apostate and should be excommunicated and slapped with a wet squirrell. Ainā€™t ya glad that Iā€™m not yer Pope?šŸ˜‰
WP
 
sandmountainsli said:
I am going to go so far as to say that ANY priest or minister who gives the Eucharist to a person whom he knows to support abortion has himself became an apostate and should be excommunicated and slapped with a wet squirrell. Ainā€™t ya glad that Iā€™m not yer Pope?šŸ˜‰
WP
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Yes, I am glad you are not my Pope, but I would like to have you come to my parish with the wet squirrell and keep an eye on things for us. Its not a bad idea you have there.

Next Sunday?
 
Cat said:
I think the sin is compounded by the fact that Ms. Pelosi influences others to sin due to the nature of her leadership and therefore role model position. In fact, by passing laws favoring abortion, she makes it easier for others to sin.

I wouldnā€™t want to face Christ at judgement with that on my conscience.

Thatā€™s one of the reasons we were all so upset over Ted Haggardā€™s sin. He was a leader, THE leader of the evangelicals. A few months ago, Christianity Today ran an article about him, and I believe the point was made that heā€™s about as close as you can get to a Protestant ā€œpope.ā€

Now that he has been found guilty of this kind of sin, others who are weak will be even weaker and more likely to yield to temptation. After all, the LEADER sinned. And heā€™s still forgiven of all his sins and going to heaven. So why does it matter if someone sins? (Thatā€™s one of my problems with Protestant theology, BTW. Fuzzy motivation to quit sinning.)

It seems to me that if you are a leader in the Church and you know that you are tangled up in grave sin, you should step down. You should tell the other church leaders straight out what sin you are involved in (so they donā€™t think itā€™s something minor like drinking Pepsi during your break instead of drinking orange juice).

I wonder what the NAE would have said if Pastor Haggard had said, ā€œIā€™m guilty of homosexual acts and drug addiction.ā€ Thatā€™s an eye-opener. Why, why WHY did he stick with leading? And why, why, WHY does Ms. Pelosi stick with the Catholic Church? Why doesnā€™t another church woo her over to their camp?!
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Was it St. Peter that said: ā€œBut for the grace of God go I.ā€ I donā€™t know if pastorā€™s or priests should be required to confess their sins openly as you stated. I would not want my sins announce to the Church. Could you imagine the local newspaper if it printed all of our sins. I am please that my sins are in confidence with the priest and God. When we judge others we bring that same judgment upon ourselves. I always remember that at the final judgment, in the spirit of justice, Christ will make known our sins before all. Catholicā€™s also repeat mortal sins and Godā€™s Divine Mercy forgives us, so I say we are no better and most likely in line with our Protestant brothers and sisters.
 
CRW said:
Was it St. Peter that said: ā€œBut for the grace of God go I.ā€ I donā€™t know if pastorā€™s or priests should be required to confess their sins openly as you stated. I would not want my sins announce to the Church. Could you imagine the local newspaper if it printed all of our sins. I am please that my sins are in confidence with the priest and God. When we judge others we bring that same judgment upon ourselves. I always remember that at the final judgment, in the spirit of justice, Christ will make known our sins before all. Catholicā€™s also repeat mortal sins and Godā€™s Divine Mercy forgives us, so I say we are no better and most likely in line with our Protestant brothers and sisters.
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I think you misunderstand ā€œconfess their sinsā€

That man only admitted publicly what his sins were. Confession is a stretch.

Maybe had he the benefits of confession, he may not have gone so far into the abyss. Who knows?
 
CRW:
During the spring conference the USCCB decided to leave it up to each bishop to establish policies within his authority. The question is: When someone approaches the Blessed Sacrament, who really knows if that person has gone to confession? Who can judge the current state of a soul? Normally the policy has been for the bishop to discuss the matter with the official and come to some agreement that would protect the individual, as well as, church teachings. Some have decided that the individual is responsible for their soul and the condition of which they receive the Sacrament. We shall see what the USCCB approves in a few short days. EWTN will carry live shows with commentary concerning all the issues.

When was it decided that bishops could pick and choose which tenets of the Catholic Church they are willing to enforce? Granted there is no rule that says that Communion should be denied (is there?) but I cannot believe that the bishops think it is okey to have business as usual in regard to abortion. I wish the USCCB would develop a spine.
 
Thank you Damacus

First let me say this certainly clearly explains some of the thread comments I have read. Damacus this article in and of itself would not met a worthy standard of denial. It is important to read what Pelosi said verses what others said about her. She is quoted as saying ā€œI believe that my position on choice is one that is consistent with my Catholic upbringing, which said that every person has a free will and has the responsibility to live their lives in a way that they would have to account for in the end.ā€(1) See I oppose abortion and agree completely with her statement.

Please consider some conditions
  1. Abortion is legal and no one selects the option
  2. Abortion is illegal and no one selects the option
  3. Abortion is legal and some people select the option
  4. Abortion is illegal and some people select the option
Now as I oppose abortion under which condition(s) am I the sinner? See I sin through my action not via the legal status of abortion in the U.S. I am not dismissing the possibility that other public statements may exist which were more explicit on this subject. But in this article the damning statement " House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., like John Kerry a Catholic who supports abortion rights,ā€¦"(1) came from an unnamed AP Writer (1)

(1) usatoday.com/news/washington/2004-04-29-pelosi-communion_x.htm

IMO John 8 deals with this issue
 
Texas_Roofer said:
Thank you Damacus

First let me say this certainly clearly explains some of the thread comments I have read. Damacus this article in and of itself would not met a worthy standard of denial. It is important to read what Pelosi said verses what others said about her. She is quoted as saying ā€œI believe that my position on choice is one that is consistent with my Catholic upbringing, which said that every person has a free will and has the responsibility to live their lives in a way that they would have to account for in the end.ā€(1) See I oppose abortion and agree completely with her statement.

Please consider some conditions
  1. Abortion is legal and no one selects the option
  2. Abortion is illegal and no one selects the option
  3. Abortion is legal and some people select the option
  4. Abortion is illegal and some people select the option
Now as I oppose abortion under which condition(s) am I the sinner? See I sin through my action not via the legal status of abortion in the U.S. I am not dismissing the possibility that other public statements may exist which were more explicit on this subject. But in this article the damning statement " House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., like John Kerry a Catholic who supports abortion rights,ā€¦"(1) came from an unnamed AP Writer (1)

(1) usatoday.com/news/washington/2004-04-29-pelosi-communion_x.htm

IMO John 8 deals with this issue
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With all due respect, if Mrs. Pelosi was taught those things about Catholicism, either her instructions were very misimformed or just blame wrong. Mrs. Pelosi and others in politics who say this are lying to themselves. Abortion may be legal, but in the eyes of the Church it is still murder.
 
Texas_Roofer said:
Thank you Damacus

First let me say this certainly clearly explains some of the thread comments I have read. Damacus this article in and of itself would not met a worthy standard of denial. It is important to read what Pelosi said verses what others said about her. She is quoted as saying ā€œI believe that my position on choice is one that is consistent with my Catholic upbringing, which said that every person has a free will and has the responsibility to live their lives in a way that they would have to account for in the end.ā€(1) See I oppose abortion and agree completely with her statement.

Please consider some conditions
  1. Abortion is legal and no one selects the option
  2. Abortion is illegal and no one selects the option
  3. Abortion is legal and some people select the option
  4. Abortion is illegal and some people select the option
Now as I oppose abortion under which condition(s) am I the sinner? See I sin through my action not via the legal status of abortion in the U.S. I am not dismissing the possibility that other public statements may exist which were more explicit on this subject. But in this article the damning statement " House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., like John Kerry a Catholic who supports abortion rights,ā€¦"(1) came from an unnamed AP Writer (1)

(1) usatoday.com/news/washington/2004-04-29-pelosi-communion_x.htm

IMO John 8 deals with this issue
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Remember situation number 1 is never going to happen. The mere fact that abortion is legal will influence some to take the option. No ifs ands or buts on that one.

So anyone who votes to allow it bears guilt for those who take advantage of that law.
 
I want to know if Ms Pelosi thinks she can rip pages out of the CCC she does not like and still call herself a Catholic. Rip out Godā€™s commandment on murder.
Rip up the Church in the eyes of the world as a big joke that can be mocked.:mad:
 
What if a politician has never had an abortion, never would have an abortion, would never support or counsel any individual to have an abortion, but simply and legitimately believes in the separation of church and state, and does not believe it is the role of the state to enforce religious morality on others who are not of the same persuasion? Is that still such a grave sin that a simple priest should take it upon himself to refuse Communion to someone? I suppose you will say that a Catholic must believe the Church should work to be the State as well as the Church.

Separation of State and Church is essential, as essential now as it was when the U.S.A. was founded, because itā€™s the only thing that protects even religious people from the excesses of other religious people - and in matters of religion, there are always excesses eventually. For example, if sometime in the future, fundamentalist Muslims become a majority in some areas, what will protect you? What protects you from the already existing excesses of any ultra-orthodox sect of any religion, for that matter, be it Christian, Jewish or Islamic?
 
Starling,

Who is forcing any Catholic to be a politician? Did you look at the last link I provided? WHO is forcing her to openly do these things? I know who.
 
SImple Priest???

As if the ā€œsimple priestā€ is making up the RULES on who can recieve!!!:confused:
 
CRW said:
Was it St. Peter that said: ā€œBut for the grace of God go I.ā€ I donā€™t know if pastorā€™s or priests should be required to confess their sins openly as you stated. I would not want my sins announce to the Church. Could you imagine the local newspaper if it printed all of our sins. I am please that my sins are in confidence with the priest and God. When we judge others we bring that same judgment upon ourselves. I always remember that at the final judgment, in the spirit of justice, Christ will make known our sins before all. Catholicā€™s also repeat mortal sins and Godā€™s Divine Mercy forgives us, so I say we are no better and most likely in line with our Protestant brothers and sisters.
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St. Phillip Neri, I think.

peace
 
starling said:
What if a politician has never had an abortion, never would have an abortion, would never support or counsel any individual to have an abortion, but simply and legitimately believes in the separation of church and state, and does not believe it is the role of the state to enforce religious morality on others who are not of the same persuasion?
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All of our laws are based on the 10 Commandments. So, if we were to use your logic, we could have no laws which legislate morality such as stealing and murder.

I believe it is up to the bishops to speak to these CINOā€™s (Catholics in Name Only). They should be told to publicly renounce their positions or they will be denied the Eucharist. If they refuse, the bishop should inform their priests that this person should not be given communion until further notice.
 
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