Priest tells us to Stand

[HFIPost]

Help~! I went to mass and after the Sanctus, we were putting down our kneelers and the Priest announced that we would NOT be kneeling during the Christmas season! What is one to do? Be obedient to the Priest and stand? I was so upset thinking of all the returning home Catholics walking into this confusion…not to mention myself!! I would like to address this but with love and some darn good Catholic facts…thanks dear ones…!

 

[AlexV]

Simple answer to put your mind at rest: ignore him. When people like that get ignored, usually sooner rather than later they forget their little inanities.

 

[Anna_Elizabeth]

Simple answer to put your mind at rest: ignore him. When people like that get ignored, usually sooner rather than later they forget their little inanities.

Anna

 

[netmilsmom]

Help~! I went to mass and after the Sanctus, we were putting down our kneelers and the Priest announced that we would NOT be kneeling during the Christmas season! What is one to do? Be obedient to the Priest and stand? I was so upset thinking of all the returning home Catholics walking into this confusion…not to mention myself!! I would like to address this but with love and some darn good Catholic facts…thanks dear ones…!

Are you sure you were in a Catholic church?

 

[Karianne]

Help~! I went to mass and after the Sanctus, we were putting down our kneelers and the Priest announced that we would NOT be kneeling during the Christmas season! What is one to do? Be obedient to the Priest and stand? I was so upset thinking of all the returning home Catholics walking into this confusion…not to mention myself!! I would like to address this but with love and some darn good Catholic facts…thanks dear ones…!

Your priest is God’s representative, therefore you obey him during the Mass and if you’re troubled by it seek him out AFTER Mass and find out what the reasons are.
Ask him if he minds if you follow the tradition.

 

[Goblin_Taters]

There is no Vatican document mandating standing after the Sanctus.

In fact, the Church declares contrary to what your priest says. See the General Instruction n. 43, where it reads:

In the dioceses of the United States of America, they should kneel beginning after the singing or recitation of the Sanctus until after the Amen of the Eucharistic Prayer, except when prevented on occasion by reasons of health, lack of space, the large number of people present, or some other good reason.

source: ewtn.com/expert/answers/kneeling_at_the_consecration.htm

If you feel it is sin to stand, then by all means kneel! Or, if your priest continues to disobey the Church, find another parish where the priest follows the tradition of kneeling before and after the Sanctus.

 

[netmilsmom]

Your priest is God’s representative, therefore you obey him during the Mass and if you’re troubled by it seek him out AFTER Mass and find out what the reasons are.
Ask him if he minds if you follow the tradition.

Not against the Vatican.

So what you are suggesting is that you seek him out and ask if you CAN follow the GIRM?

I don’t think so.

 

[AlexV]

No Karianne, we are not obligated to “obey” the priest during Mass when he counsels us to do something contrary to Catholic tradition.

False obedience is not Catholic.

My advice stands. Ignore the chap. He’ll get over himself.

 

[VociMike]

Help~! I went to mass and after the Sanctus, we were putting down our kneelers and the Priest announced that we would NOT be kneeling during the Christmas season!

I am reminded of the lyrics from “Oklahoma”: “I’m not saying I’m better than anybody else, but I’ll be danged if I ain’t just as good!”

Heven forfend that we would actually kneel during the season when we celebrate the coming of the Messiah.

 

[Karianne]

Not against the Vatican.

So what you are suggesting is that you seek him out and ask if you CAN follow the GIRM?

I don’t think so.

That is exactly what I am suggesting. There is a lot of disrespect shown to priests in this forum and I just don’t understand it.
I do not believe that the priest is deliberately misleading his flock. I do not believe that his intent is to go against the Vatican.
The only person who can speak for the priest is himself. It is better that the poster go directly to him and find out WHY the priest has made this request.

Then the poster should come BACK here and tell us what the priest said. At that time you may expound if you are correct, however, right now, you are
doing something that I would never do, and that is to imply that you know better than a person who has studied theology and devoted his entire life to God.

 

[Karianne]

No Karianne, we are not obligated to “obey” the priest during Mass when he counsels us to do something contrary to Catholic tradition.

False obedience is not Catholic.

My advice stands. Ignore the chap. He’ll get over himself.

You are advising a fellow Catholic to disregard the priest? I can’t believe that.

 

[netmilsmom]

That is exactly what I am suggesting. There is a lot of disrespect shown to priests in this forum and I just don’t understand it.
I do not believe that the priest is deliberately misleading his flock. I do not believe that his intent is to go against the Vatican.
The only person who can speak for the priest is himself. It is better that the poster go directly to him and find out WHY the priest has made this request.

Then the poster should come BACK here and tell us what the priest said. At that time you may expound if you are correct, however, right now, you are
doing something that I would never do, and that is to imply that you know better than a person who has studied theology and devoted his entire life to God.

Priests are not Gods. That kind of thinking got us into a WHOLE lot of trouble with some homosexual priests.

Although some of them think they are above the Vatican and the GIRM is just a suggestion, they are wrong.

They may have studied theology but perhaps he needs to have a refresher course in the GIRM and disobeying the Vatican is not in the mix.

the General Instruction n. 43, where it reads:

*In the dioceses of the United States of America, they should kneel beginning after the singing or recitation of the Sanctus until after the Amen of the Eucharistic Prayer, except when prevented on occasion by reasons of health, lack of space, the large number of people present, or some other good reason.<<

 

[anamchara]

Your priest is God’s representative, therefore you obey him during the Mass and if you’re troubled by it seek him out AFTER Mass and find out what the reasons are.
Ask him if he minds if you follow the tradition.

Ya this was my frist thought. Are we not suppose to obey? Actually I don’t think I’d have the guts anyway to go against what everyone else was doing in the middle of Mass. But I would be talking to him after that’s for sure!

This seems a bit strange.

 

[Br.Rich_SFO]

Help~! I went to mass and after the Sanctus, we were putting down our kneelers and the Priest announced that we would NOT be kneeling during the Christmas season! What is one to do? Be obedient to the Priest and stand? I was so upset thinking of all the returning home Catholics walking into this confusion…not to mention myself!! I would like to address this but with love and some darn good Catholic facts…thanks dear ones…!

The first thing that needs to be asked is has the Bishop required these changes? If so call the diocese and ask.

Now if he were to ask everyone to stand after the Lamb of God, and said that the Bishop has determined this for the diocese then that would be valid and you should stand. Until you return from receiving Holy Communion, then you may kneel or sit at your preference.

 

[Dale_M]

My advice stands. Ignore the chap. He’ll get over himself.

This invites a scandal similar to the one involving Fr. Martin Tran at St. Mary’s by the Sea in Huntington Beach, California. He also told parishioners to stand, but was ignored by a sizeable faction. Apparently it was an unpleasant and long-running affair, with the bishop getting involved on the side of the priest.

anamchara:

Actually I don’t think I’d have the guts anyway to go against what everyone else was doing in the middle of Mass. But I would be talking to him after that’s for sure!

This seems a bit strange.

I agree with you on both points. It seems strange and talking to the priest afterwards is a very good idea.

Differences should be worked out before or after mass, not during.

 

[Karianne]

Priests are not Gods. That kind of thinking got us into a WHOLE lot of trouble with some homosexual priests.

Although some of them think they are above the Vatican and the GIRM is just a suggestion, they are wrong.

They may have studied theology but perhaps he needs to have a refresher course in the GIRM and disobeying the Vatican is not in the mix.

the General Instruction n. 43, where it reads:

I figured that you had some issues with the Gay priests, but not all priests are Gay.
Your first sentence explained a lot to me.
You fail to give the priest the benefit of the doubt because you don’t think that he may have good reason.
I’m writing to Karl Keating.
This has gone too far and I’m tired of the priests being trashed on these boards, this is the one place where we should be loving and supportive of our priests and I just do NOT see this here.

 

[netmilsmom]

I figured that you had some issues with the Gay priests, but not all priests are Gay.
Your first sentence explained a lot to me.
You fail to give the priest the benefit of the doubt because you don’t think that he may have good reason.
I’m writing to Karl Keating.
This has gone too far and I’m tired of the priests being trashed on these boards, this is the one place where we should be loving and supportive of our priests and I just do NOT see this here.

There is no way that I will be supportive of a “Gay” priest.
Anyone who is sexually attracted to their same sex and remains chaste is not “Gay”.

That is a liftestyle and is not allowed to our clergy.
Write to anyone you want. If I get a time-out for it, at least I know where CAF stands on the whole deal.

 

[Catholic29]

I figured that you had some issues with the Gay priests, but not all priests are Gay.
Your first sentence explained a lot to me.
You fail to give the priest the benefit of the doubt because you don’t think that he may have good reason.
I’m writing to Karl Keating.
This has gone too far and I’m tired of the priests being trashed on these boards, this is the one place where we should be loving and supportive of our priests and I just do NOT see this here.

I agree with you to a point, but sometimes Priests aren’t right all the time. And someone who isn’t sure has a right to call him on it, and more importantly write the Bishop on any confusion or disagreement one has on how he performs the liturgy.

Though sadly I admit charity has been lacking on these forums of late, including here.

 

[anamchara]

You are advising a fellow Catholic to disregard the priest? I can’t believe that.

I don’t think I could ignore the priest. I don’t like making others uncomfortable but finding out afterwards would be the best way. I’m getting confused between this thread and the kneeling thread! :whacky: lol!

 

[Karin]

There is no way that I will be supportive of a “Gay” priest.
Anyone who is sexually attracted to their same sex and remains chaste is not “Gay”.

That is a liftestyle and is not allowed to our clergy.
Write to anyone you want. If I get a time-out for it, at least I know where CAF stands on the whole deal.

KUDOS…may as well add me to the list of people that will not support Gay priests…