Priest to 'effectively disappear' in Ireland

[Layman]

It’s not going to be easy.

The current generation knows nothing about the old rite and are badly catechised. They think the N.O-plus-local-novelties is normal. There’s also a priest shortage. There’s also the heathenism of the times. There’s also the lack of teaching Latin in schools; these would have been a natural source of supporters.

So it’ll come back, bit by bit. It’ll just take time.. There’s no alternative. Modernism, by it’s nature, lights the touch-paper of its own destruction.

It’s easy to smash icons. It’s harder and takes longer to remake them.

 

[Ridgerunner]

Modernism, by it’s nature, lights the touch-paper of its own destruction.

I agree with this. Modernism leads to Materialism, which always betrays. Always.

But it’s a tough thing for people to see before it throws them into the ditch. And it takes a lot of effort to make them see it. But it can be done.

 

[NPC]

There’s no alternative.

Well, I wouldn’t go that far - I believe that the O.F. when celebrated according to the books (and with good quality sacred music!) is very beautiful. Whichever form we attend, we are all brought to witness the very same sacrifice of Calvary and to receive the same risen Christ which is the most beautiful thing about any Mass.

There’s a saying - I’m sure you’ve heard it - that when priests celebrate the Holy Mass all they have to do is “Say the black and do the red”. It’s easier to deviate from the black when you’re reading a language that you can use competently, but as Francis Cardinal Arinze pointed out, there were still abuses in the E.F. - the thing was that most people didn’t notice, either because they didn’t understand Latin or because they simply couldn’t see what the priest was doing when he had his back to them! Indeed, in the old days, if a layman did notice an abuse he probably wouldn’t have had the guts or the gall to mention it to the priest…in many cases, all it would have gained was a public scolding from the pulpit. Some things are better left in the past where they belong!

 

[irishpatrick]

Great Apostasy?

 

[Layman]

Well, I wouldn’t go that far - I believe that the O.F. when celebrated according to the books (and with good quality sacred music!) is very beautiful.

I don’t think I’ve seen one, yet. I understand the London Oratory does the O.F in Latin, ad-orientem. Maybe one or two others.

Francis Cardinal Arinze pointed out, there were still abuses in the E.F. - the thing was that most people didn’t notice, either because they didn’t understand Latin or because** they simply couldn’t see what the priest was doing** when he had his back to them! Indeed, in the old days, if a layman did notice an abuse he probably wouldn’t have had the guts or the gall to mention it to the priest…in many cases, all it would have gained was a public scolding from the pulpit. Some things are better left in the past where they belong!

[My emphasis, above]

**At least, in the old days, a priest with a penchant for innovation was limited in scope and in his ability to distract. He knew, also, that he was overstepping his bounds. **Now, if your Bishop is accomodating, it’s all up for grabs.

I think we’re having a clear out at a time of great decadence in wider society. It’s got to reach a nadir before even the biggest ignoramus scratches his head at the antics of liturgical innovators and liberal clergy and says “That can’t be right”.

I’m glad I’ve lived to see the TLM gradually come back. Make haste, I say!