Priest to marry being considered

[PJM]

=feed me;10399186]Please forgive me if this is wrong, I want to know if im hearing this correctly.

linky
guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb/22/marriage-ban-priest-pope-cardinal

It’s a LIE!

And a Moral Impossibility.

The Matter was defined as Doctrine of the CC by Blessed JP II for the following reasons

In DOING SO, His Holiness said: QUOTE " I am not saying that the CC will not ever Ordain women: I AM SAYING that the CC CANNOT [does not have the power and authority to do so"] End Quote

HERE IS WHY

1. Ordination is a Sacrament Instituted by Christ Himself and therefore in unchangable
2. Sacred Tradition: Adam; Noah, Abram, David, Jacob all of the Prophets, Judges and Kings; John the Baptist; Jesus Himself and the 12 Apostles are all male gender BY GOD"S Own Freewill choice!

3.** Physiology** Because Jesus Is male gender AND because it IS JESUS HIMSELF that is made present in the Sacrament of the Most holy Eucharist AND because the WORDS of Institution ARE “This IS MY Body and this IS MY Blood” they MUST be pronounced by a man. AMEN.

 

[Bruised_Reed]

Call me a radical but I believe it should be discussed.

I have had numerous occasions when I have really needed to talk with a Priest and none are available, or they are too busy. I have gotten the run-around… Parish secretary says ask Father, Father says “Call the Parish Office, I don’t have my book”

Since we KNOW there is a shortage of Men who have become Priests I believe we should be looking for solutions. We should consider Married Men, we should consider Women, I believe the DISCUSSIONS should take place. Nothing should be so dangerous that it can not be talked about.

A Married Priest would have a better perspective on marital issues.

Maybe there should be an outreach of good Catholic people who assist the Priests.

There is a need so all solutions should be EXAMINED, I do not know the best solution, but if nothing is considered then nothing is solved.

(While I mentioned looking into female Priests I have to admit I avoid Female Extarordinary Ministers - just an old bias that I should work on)

J

It is dangerous to encourage talk about it.

Around the time of Vatican II there was talk about the Church changing her stance on contraception and divorce. Progressice/liberal/heterodox clergy and religious were leading those conversations and letting Catholics think that changing these teachings was an option. When Vatican II and the Post-consiliar documents came out those that had been holding out for change were angry. Of course they were; they were misled. But instead of being angry about being misled they were angry, and continue to be, about the Church not bending to the whims of the world.

Women cannot be priests. Pope John Paul II asked that it not be discussed further. Why not? What is the point in continuing to talk about something that is a done deal? Doing so is just stirring the pot. Some people like to do that. Some people seem to like beating a dead horse.

Perhaps married men will be allowed to be priests some day but it isn’t the answer that you think it is. Consider the number of men called to the permanent diaconate; those numbers are not huge. If married men were clamoring to be priests, wouldn’t this number be higher?

 

[ALLGIRLS]

I thought we were talking about married men being allowed to be priests? How did this get switched to women? THAT can NEVER happen. I thought that UK Cardinal was in favor of married men being ordained? I didn’t read him saying anything about women

In Christ,
Ellen

 

[Fidelis]

Anyone who thinks married priests will solve the priest shortage or any other problem need look no further than the Anglican church. They’ve almost always had a married clergy (and now women and public practicing homosexual clergy and bishops) but you don’t see men knocking down the doors to their seminaries. In fact, the more they “liberalize” their practices, the more fragmented and diminished their church becomes.

 

[cheezey]

Perhaps married men will be allowed to be priests some day but it isn’t the answer that you think it is. Consider the number of men called to the permanent diaconate; those numbers are not huge. If married men were clamoring to be priests, wouldn’t this number be higher?

That was my thought. Both seem to be of numbers that could improve…

 

[feed_me]

My only opinion on it is this, I know the church makes the laws, and that was granted by Christ himself. That is understandable. I do believe the Eastern side has it set good as it is, and hope maybe the West will follow, by allowing Married men to the Priest hood before Ordination, but are forbidden to marry after.

 

[Bruised_Reed]

That was my thought. Both seem to be of numbers that could improve…

And since it’s a vocation, it can only be encouraged. It’s not something that should be manipulated.

 

[edwest2]

Call me a radical but I believe it should be discussed.

I have had numerous occasions when I have really needed to talk with a Priest and none are available, or they are too busy. I have gotten the run-around… Parish secretary says ask Father, Father says “Call the Parish Office, I don’t have my book”

Since we KNOW there is a shortage of Men who have become Priests I believe we should be looking for solutions. We should consider Married Men, we should consider Women, I believe the DISCUSSIONS should take place. Nothing should be so dangerous that it can not be talked about.

A Married Priest would have a better perspective on marital issues.

Maybe there should be an outreach of good Catholic people who assist the Priests.

There is a need so all solutions should be EXAMINED, I do not know the best solution, but if nothing is considered then nothing is solved.

(While I mentioned looking into female Priests I have to admit I avoid Female Extarordinary Ministers - just an old bias that I should work on)

J

FALSE. It’s been examined. Women are not an option.

Peace,
Ed

 

[RevDon]

No. A married man could become a priest but a priest can never marry.

I can’t tell if he doesn’t know that or isn’t communicating his position clearly.

This is the discipline of Eastern rites, but I Don’t know if that was a discipline in the western Church for the first thousand years. Perhaps someone can supply information.

 

[cheezey]

And since it’s a vocation, it can only be encouraged. It’s not something that should be manipulated.

of course

 

[RevDon]

It can be changed (again, to let married men become priests, not to let priests marry), but I’m not buying the argument that it’s the answer to the priest shortage. The problem is with committment, in all vocations. We have a 50% divorce rate (within the Church it’s pretty much the same as the secular world), and Protestant denominations that allow married men AND women clergy are still seeing a shortage. If you think you can’t get to talk to a priest now, imagine if they had a wife and kids and were away at sporting events or at the hospital when their wives were giving birth, etc. And Catholics don’t tithe enough now. Who’s going to support a priest’s family? Is the wife supposed to go to work? And Catholics are called to be open to life. Would a priest have to restrict his family to 2 children (or maybe even one), because of his “other vocation”? A lot of Protestant ministers have other full time jobs. A priest just wouldn’t be able to do that, not with all the vocation entails. It’s not the panacea it’s proponents make it out to be. Honestly, I think they’re just thinking with their “little heads”.

In Christ,
Ellen

If the authority given by Christ to the Church permits one, then why not the other?
You’re right about Catholics being stingy. Priests are just cheap help.
The local Episcopal diocese has recently put a halt to receiving vocations applications; they can’t find jobs for them all.

 

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ph?m,máy hút chân không chè,túi hút chân không chuyên d?ng…

 

[cheezey]

This is the discipline of Eastern rites, but I Don’t know if that was a discipline in the western Church for the first thousand years. Perhaps someone can supply information.

I know of an anglican priest, who converted to Catholicism, who was then embraced as a priest of the RCC. Married with children. In the US…I believe there was a thread on this subject too…just can’t find it…Does this help?
But this isn’t quite the same issue…

 

[PJM]

Originally Posted by BrotherJ
Call me a radical but I believe it should be discussed.

I have had numerous occasions when I have really needed to talk with a Priest and none are available, or they are too busy. I have gotten the run-around… Parish secretary says ask Father, Father says “Call the Parish Office, I don’t have my book”

Since we KNOW there is a shortage of Men who have become Priests I believe we should be looking for solutions. We should consider Married Men, we should consider Women, I believe the DISCUSSIONS should take place. Nothing should be so dangerous that it can not be talked about.

A Married Priest would have a better perspective on marital issues.

Maybe there should be an outreach of good Catholic people who assist the Priests.

There is a need so all solutions should be EXAMINED, I do not know the best solution, but if nothing is considered then nothing is solved.

(While I mentioned looking into female Priests I have to admit I avoid Female Extarordinary Ministers - just an old bias that I should work on)

J

End Quote

HERE IS WHY

1. Ordination is a Sacrament Instituted by Christ Himself and therefore in unchangable
2. Sacred Tradition: Adam; Noah, Abram, David, Jacob all of the Prophets, Judges and Kings; John the Baptist; Jesus Himself and the 12 Apostles are all male gender BY GOD"S Own Freewill choice!
3. Physiology Because Jesus Is male gender AND because it IS JESUS HIMSELF that is made present in the Sacrament of the Most holy Eucharist AND because the WORDS of Institution ARE “This IS MY Body and this IS MY Blood” they MUST be pronounced by a man. AMEN

 

[feed_me]

But how does this mesh with the fact that there are married priests now, and was centuries ago?

And…why would there be a differentiation between a priest who is married before he becomes ordained, as opposed to after?

Because that’s the Church set it up before they made it manditory to be be celibate. And that is a great way, because if you are married before you become ordained, and she passes, then you would stick to taking care of the church from there on out. The church then becomes your full time bride. Even if you loose one physical you gain another spiritually, so you really wont be alone.

BrotherJ, God set it up for man to lead the household, church. God set up man as the leader. It’s backed up by scripture from front to back.

 

[landon13]

Landon,
Would you help me to understand 1 Corinthians 7:35 - 38? Thanks

35 I am saying this to help you, not to limit you. But I want you to live in the right way, to give yourselves fully to the Lord without concern for other things.
36 If a man thinks he is not doing the right thing with the girl he is engaged to, if she is almost past the best age to marry and he feels he should marry her, he should do what he wants. They should get married. It is no sin.
37 But if a man is sure in his mind that there is no need for marriage, and has his own desires under control, and has decided not to marry the one to whom he is engaged, he is doing the right thing.
38 So the man who marries his girl does right, but the man who does not marry will do better.

This is pretty much saying that it is strongly recommended by St. Paul to live a celibate life for those who wholly devote themselves to the ministry. So it is saying that it is better for people to be celibate if they devote their lives to the ministry so that they would be completely focused on God and not have to focus on a wife. It is to help someone in the ministry and not to limit them to not have a wife but to help them focus on God. They will do better in the ministry for God if they do not marry than if they do. But if you are married you can still be in the ministry of God but you will not give your 100% to the ministry.

 

[RevDon]

I know of an anglican priest, who converted to Catholicism, who was then embraced as a priest of the RCC. Married with children. In the US…I believe there was a thread on this subject too…just can’t find it…Does this help?
But this isn’t quite the same issue…

I’m aware of numerous cases of that. I’d be interested to know about documentation that could prove one way or the other if priests could get married at any time in the first thousand years of Christianity.

 

[RevDon]

This is pretty much saying that it is strongly recommended by St. Paul to live a celibate life for those who wholly devote themselves to the ministry. So it is saying that it is better for people to be celibate if they devote their lives to the ministry so that they would be completely focused on God and not have to focus on a wife. It is to help someone in the ministry and not to limit them to not have a wife but to help them focus on God. They will do better in the ministry for God if they do not marry than if they do. But if you are married you can still be in the ministry of God but you will not give your 100% to the ministry.

Do you think Paul was writing this only to people who were engaged in full-time ministry?

 

[Bob_Aliano]

How interesting.
This is a top-ranking Cardinal, yes? He is seeing the worthiness of this. Sounds like he’s suggesting at the end of the article that people going into the priesthood is going down in numbers, and this lifting of the ban would help the numbers rise.

For hundreds of years, priest could indeed be married, right?

Also, it would be odd to ban marriage for priests mainly because it is such a busy job and wives/children would not have enough time with their father/husband.
If we worked that way, we’d have to ban hundreds of other vocations from marrying.

I hope for the priests of the future that this subject is brought to the table again with the new pope. It sounds like a healthy revision–physically, emotionally, and spiritually.

To me it sounds like an attempt to further degrade the priesthood, if this ever happens I hope there is room in the SSPX for one more. You can save the snide comments about me going to the SSPX now, the Church has not yet abandoned all traditions.

 

[feed_me]

To me it sounds like an attempt to further degrade the priesthood, if this ever happens I hope there is room in the SSPX for one more. You can save the snide comments about me going to the SSPX now, the Church has not yet abandoned all traditions.

It’s not the end of the Church if priests could marry…again. It would be a reinstatement of a tradition that has been since Adam and Eve.