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jay29
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For the Blood of Christ during mass! There were four of them. I almost fell flat on my face. I know this is against the GIRM. What should I do?
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allhers
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Help the Parish buy some gold one’s.
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JKirkLVNV
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Crystal is considered precious enough for use, but as it’s breakable, I don’t feel good about it. Our pastor uses crystal.
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otm
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Receive the Precious Blood, go back to your pew, and thank God that you are in a country which still has religious freedom, and you are able to attend Mass where glass chalices are used, instead of not having Mass because the priest has been put into an attitude adjusting day camp.
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JKirkLVNV
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This is, of course, very true and a timely reminder. I try to remember this.
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viktor_aleksndr
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That’s right! LOL!:bowdown:
I guess a brass will do.
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Elzee
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Or check the sacristy - there may be some there you could ask him about using. Our parish has gold ones stored in the sacristy but our priests never use them. They use glass (not crystal).
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puzzleannie
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you must lead a sheltered life if this is the worst thing you can find to grouse about at your parish. instead of attending Mass with the GIRM in one hand and a checklist in the other, why not attend with a grateful heart and a yearning for Christ in the Eucharist, and a love for your fellow members of the Body of Christ gathered in His Name. Focus on the action of Christ and not the actions and foibles of people.
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Joan_M
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This kind of comment annoys me. It is as if one should not expect to find the Mass celebrated in exactly the manner laid down by the Church, and we should be glad we have any kind of Mass at all.
People, like me, who find it intolerable that liturgical abuses of any kind should take place do not attend Mass with “the GIRM in one hand and a checklist in the other.” We attend in the expectation that we will be able to worship God in the manner authorized by His Church, and are hurt and disappointed when we find it to be otherwise. When one knows how Mass should be celebrated, anything contrary jumps out and hits you. There is no need for a checklist, the jar is grating!! Furthermore, we, the laity, are entitled to a true and authentic Liturgy (in other words, a Liturgy celebrated in accordance with the GIRM).
Comments like those quoted above are uncharitable.
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Edwin1961
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There is nit picking and picking nits.
True the has a structured form that NEEDS to be followed to be in union with The Church, however worrying about what chalie to use is just silly.
So, What kind of Challice did JESUS use?
Is THAT important?
What should be the rule is that: Whatever the parrish has that is THE BEST quality should be used, especially on Sundays. Maybe the other chalies can be used during the weekday Masses.
True the has a structured form that NEEDS to be followed to be in union with The Church, however worrying about what chalie to use is just silly.
So, What kind of Challice did JESUS use?
Is THAT important?
What should be the rule is that: Whatever the parrish has that is THE BEST quality should be used, especially on Sundays. Maybe the other chalies can be used during the weekday Masses.
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jay29
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While I am not a nit picker, however, I do expect the rules of the GIRM to be followed. There are reasons for rules and regulations, so things don’t get out of control. You are not supposed to get these liberal priests that do not recite the Gloria and Creed (Appalling), having liturgical dancers during mass, ( I would walk out- Mass is a solem occasion where Heaven and Earth meet on that Holy Altar). I will give you a big example: Look at the Anglicans (Episcopalians) the have clown masses! Openly Gay Bishops and priests, way out of control!!!
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Andrew_11
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I think that the chalice must be a precious metal.
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contemplative
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I have seen worse than this.
**The Catholic priest at a Newman Center on Campus near me used a crystal pendulum on students to demonstate the power of healing.
**Beat that!
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tom.wineman
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Hey, why not us paper cups they are not breakable and you won’t have to worry about catching GIRMS
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contemplative
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tom.wineman said:Hey, why not us paper cups they are not breakable and you won’t have to worry about catching GIRMS
Of course you are kidding.
I remember a Catholic parish actually doing this when I was a kid.
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puzzleannie
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there is a huge difference between using a crystal chalice and altering the words of the Eucharistic prayer. a true abuse is use of words or actions which threaten to invalidate the consecration, or celebrating Mass in a manner that renders it illicit. not all aberrations are abuse, there is a scale here. I can guarantee that if the bishop’s office is flooded with complaints about crystal chalices and standing during the communion procession, he will not respond to legitimate complaints about women preaching and active at the altar, new age activity on the altar, incitement to heresy from the pulpit, and the like.
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JKirkLVNV
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I believe the words are “precious material,” though I may be wrong.
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otm
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Joan M:
I find it difficult to understand, given that there is always a hierarchy of rules, with some more important than others, how anyone who is truly praying can be so watchfull of every little gesture, every small inuendo, and still be focused on God and prayer.
I would find it jarring to have the Gospel eliminated, or the words of consecration radically changed. But to be upset because expensive crystal was used instead of a cup made of cheaper materials with a thin gold coating sprayed on it baffles me. I am there to worship, to pray with the community and the priest, to hear the Word of God, to be directly involved with Christ’s passion and death, to share a sared meal, and what cup they use pales into insignificance as far as I am concerned.
I am not flippant about the rules, but the rules aren’t magic. I would prefer to see them followed, but I am much more interested in being united with Christ than I am interested in what type of cup they used.
There are abuses and then there are things that are not exactly according to Hoyle. They hardly qualify for the term “abuse”.
I find it difficult to understand, given that there is always a hierarchy of rules, with some more important than others, how anyone who is truly praying can be so watchfull of every little gesture, every small inuendo, and still be focused on God and prayer.
I would find it jarring to have the Gospel eliminated, or the words of consecration radically changed. But to be upset because expensive crystal was used instead of a cup made of cheaper materials with a thin gold coating sprayed on it baffles me. I am there to worship, to pray with the community and the priest, to hear the Word of God, to be directly involved with Christ’s passion and death, to share a sared meal, and what cup they use pales into insignificance as far as I am concerned.
I am not flippant about the rules, but the rules aren’t magic. I would prefer to see them followed, but I am much more interested in being united with Christ than I am interested in what type of cup they used.
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amarischuk
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Katie1723
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Isn’t it more important what’s going on than what kind of vessels are being used? I attended Mass once where the priest used what looked like earthenware. I think we get caught up in the rules and what’s being used and who’s wearing what and who’s sitting where and altar girls vs boys and is the priest wearing shoes or sandals, that we miss the significance of what’s REALLY going on.
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