Priestly attire in a confessional

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Who wrote and edited the wiki entry?
I never said the Wiki entry was correct. I only reported what it said.
That said, licity does not mean valid, as other have said.
And I know this, and you know that I know this.

I wonder if this is where people are getting this misunderstanding that a stole is necessary for validity … because people A.) Misunderstand the difference between licit and valid (most likely) and are using the terms interchangably in RCIA (most likely) or B.) Because something contains information that is not quite reliable but is considered reliable nonetheless.
 
I asked this question in the Q&A but it apparently was one of those that got rejected.

About a month ago I went to Confession at the usual parish I go to for Confession. As I walked in, I saw the Pastor walking down from the altar. When I entered the Confessional, I went face-to-face and was greeted by a gentleman who I can only assume was a priest.

The first words that were on my tongue though when I saw him was ‘are you a Priest?’.

He was wearing a suit jacket with an open buttoned down shirt - thus there was no white collar (nor a tie for that matter). He also was not visibly wearing that cloth (what is it called? a stole? an alb?).

Instead of actually asking him if he was a priest, my mind raced and I assumed that even though he wasn’t wearing what I expected that he must be since the Pastor was right there in Church and if the Pastor wasn’t doing Confession, he must know someone is.

Anyone know if priests are required to wear that cloth in the confessional.

It seems like no big deal but I had an experience once where a deacon attempted to hear my confession so when things like this are an occasion to pause.
I would add my voice to the chorus that has stated that the stole is not necessary for the validity of a confession. Someone stated that the stole was necessary for ALL sacraments. Again, invalid and illicit are being confused. The priest could celebrate the Sunday mass in t-shirt and Bermuda shorts and it would be a valid mass, though perhaps grossly illicit.

In fact, as to the OP’s situation, even if the man was NOT in fact a priest, the confession would still be valid, if the penitent reasonably assumed he was and meant to make a valid confession. The sacrament works ex opere operato.
 
Yes, the priest should always wear a stole for confessions.

In some places, a stole is left in the confessional for this purpose.

When I was in the Air Force, I recall that the chaplain always wore his dress blues to the confessional; which always irritated me. As an enlisted man, I hated having to confess to an officer.
Ah, yes, the military. I was enlisted too; seems to me we had a comment about our mothers being married when we were born… Our chaplain wore his clerics whenever he could.
 
That’s why two priest’s I know keep a stole in the confessional, in their car and in their carry-on bags while they travel. “Always be prepared”, is what they told me when I asked.
 
Funny, no priest I know keeps a third in his office. You’d think with the option of appointments for Confession, they would keep one in their desk too.

Of course, my pastor can’t seem to find his desk … 😛
 
Don’t worry about being picky. That’s correct. It should be violet, and it should be on, else one is not under the seal of Confession. Correct me if I’m wrong, but if I don’t see the violet stole on, then I won’t confess. So yes, the priest should look as though he’s prepared to act in the person of Christ.
It is true that the priest must wear the violet stole for confession. However, it affects neither the validity of the sacrament, nor the seal.

A priest who hears confessions with or without a stole are bound to the seal in all cases on pain of excommunication.

But yes, the stole is necessary for liciety, not validity.
 
Flipflops? You might have been in my former parish. Flipflops were the normal footwear by the pastor. A friend visiting the parish office encountered this priest, who has never been seen in clericals in the parish, and he was barefoot. She asked him why; he answered he had lost his shoes.

A priest not wearing shoes isn’t so unusual when one realizes that Franciscans, Carmelites, and some monastic orders wear sandals instead. And I recall encountering a bishop out for a jog wearing running shoes and sweats as he stopped at a fast-foods place for a snack, but he was always dressed appropriately when officiating in the church. Running shoes are appropriate when running, even if one is a bishop.
 
It used to also be normal for a priest to wear his biretta in the confessional, as he was doing something concerning jurisdiction.

Personally, I’d be in cassock, biretta, alb (if right before Mass), and of course, violet stole.
 
Traditional priests wear cassock, surplice and a violet stole that’s the proper dress or attire.
Or
they could wear their clergy collar shirt with violet stole.

The stole is a priestly office, and they should wear it even during confessions.
The alb is primarily used in the celebration of the Mass.

Pax

Instaurare omnia in Christo
 
Funny, no priest I know keeps a third in his office. You’d think with the option of appointments for Confession, they would keep one in their desk too.

Of course, my pastor can’t seem to find his desk … 😛
Mine keeps a sort of mini-stole in his planner in his office, uses it for confessions that pop up as a result of an appointment and as a bookmark (Does this mean the stole is a “multitasker”). It’s one of his excuses for not getting a Blackberry or Palm.😉
 
Traditional priests wear cassock, surplice and a violet stole that’s the proper dress or attire.
Or
they could wear their clergy collar shirt with violet stole.

The stole is a priestly office, and they should wear it even during confessions.
The alb is primarily used in the celebration of the Mass.

Pax

Instaurare omnia in Christo
This is not just traditional priests. Priests around here are usually in cassock and surplice with the stole. Sometimes, they are just in a cassock with the stole.
 
attended a conference last week where the participants - lay, married, religious, priests – were deliberately not identified on name tags or rosters by titles or honorifics, and only 2 priests wore clericals, and 2 nuns in habits. Most of us went around all weekend asking “are you a priest?” or “are you a nun?” especially in light of comments etc. during the classes and sessions. I am too old to go around calling priests “Bob” and “Larry” and sisters “Mary” and “Catherine”. 12 years of Catholic school leaves its mark on you.
This is interesting as I did have a priest say call me Jim and I felt uncomfortable doing this. If I don’t say Father Jim I will lose my thoughts as to his status. I suppose this goes along with our society stopped calling people mr.and mrs. aand many teachers today have their students call them by their first name. This just doesn’t seem right and a priest should understand this. I never liked it when I hear people just call the president George.
Dessert
 
Now that I have read this thread through the one did not but I didn’t know he was suppose to have a stole and the one I confess too now does so I am glad he is more orthodox. Now I ask more questions of my fellow parishenors .Don’t object to what your priest wears unless outlandous but really praise him when he is wearing the correct garb, this usually works well. Tell him he looks very nice and professional, because the other priests will influence him to be so casual, it’s a brotherhood thing. If nither works just go to some one who takes it seriously.
Dessert
 
Well, I went back there. I was looking to go to Confession and as it turned it, it was THE saturday once-a-month that they offer Confession (for 1/2 hour).

When I went in it was a younger guy. He was wearing casual dress clothes.

It went something like this:

Me: Are you a priest?
Him: Yes.
Me: How do I know that?
Him: What do you think a priest should look like? <with a smile or smirk?>
Me: Well I’d be expecting you to wear a collar, or your stole . {Then I looked down at his hands and sort of gestured to them} I don’t even know if you’re wearing a ring.
Him: <smile/smirk gone and opening his hands> No I’m not wearing a ring.
Me: I’m not from this parish and I’ve never seen you before, so how do I know you’re a priest? I’ve had a deacon try and hear my confession and I’m not looking for that to happen again. I’m sorry sir but I’m just not comfortable with you hearing my confession. I’m the last one out there sir.

And that was it. Heart pounding a mile a minute.

I went that afternoon to a different parish. It was a priest I had seen before and he was wearing a collar. Remarkably enough though, no stole or ring.

Am I mistaken? Do priests not wear rings?
 
Well, I went back there. I was looking to go to Confession and as it turned it, it was THE saturday once-a-month that they offer Confession (for 1/2 hour).

When I went in it was a younger guy. He was wearing casual dress clothes.

It went something like this:

Me: Are you a priest?
Him: Yes.
Me: How do I know that?
Him: What do you think a priest should look like? <with a smile or smirk?>
Me: Well I’d be expecting you to wear a collar, or your stole . {Then I looked down at his hands and sort of gestured to them} I don’t even know if you’re wearing a ring.
Him: <smile/smirk gone and opening his hands> No I’m not wearing a ring.
Me: I’m not from this parish and I’ve never seen you before, so how do I know you’re a priest? I’ve had a deacon try and hear my confession and I’m not looking for that to happen again. I’m sorry sir but I’m just not comfortable with you hearing my confession. I’m the last one out there sir.

And that was it. Heart pounding a mile a minute.

I went that afternoon to a different parish. It was a priest I had seen before and he was wearing a collar. Remarkably enough though, no stole or ring.

Am I mistaken? Do priests not wear rings?
No, most priests do not wear rings. A few might, but most priests I have seen or met don’t.

He told you he was a priest. I do not know about your previous experience, but if he had had a collar on and a stole (the latter which he should have had on), you would probably not have asked him the questions? However deacon in some circumstances might wear a collar, and if the stole was there and he put it on, you would not have known the difference, right?

I understand the issue: once bit, twice afraid is the old saying. However, once he identified himself as a priest, then even though he should have had a stole on (a separate issue), it seems to me that leaving him after you had entered and asked your questions is not respectful of his office - priest, alter Christus. I would have proceeded with the sacrament.

And I find it interesting that you describe him as having a “smile or a smirk”. The latter is definitely an attitude, one that is often superiority; but since you said it that way, are you trying to read into a smile - something that seems innocent - a different attitude because he did not meet your expectations? I can pretty much read an expression. I am wondering if you met a priest who may not have been well trained in all of the rubrics of the sacraments, byut was there joyfully to represent Christ in the Sacrament of Reconcilliation, and because he did not meet your expectations (which, by the way, I do not consider wrong - I would expect the same), you may be trying to read in an attitude that is not there?

It is easy to categorize people as “liberals” and then simply dismiss them, as if they had no merit whatsoever, and had a preconceived attitude about everyone else. “Liberals” can also be trying to do God’s work; they may not have all the parts, or not have them all lined up correctly, but are we not all sinners?

Another way of saying it: I have no problem with someone who wants a priest to wear a collar, and no issue at all that the stole is to be worn during Reconcilliation - or any other sacrament - but which is more important at the moment: the stole or the priestly role of Alter Christus? Can we actually say that the priest herein is trying to “downgrade” the role of priest, or that he is intentionally casual or slipshod about it, or should we say in charity that he may never have been taught the importance of those items?
 
Well, I went back there. I was looking to go to Confession and as it turned it, it was THE saturday once-a-month that they offer Confession (for 1/2 hour).

When I went in it was a younger guy. He was wearing casual dress clothes.

It went something like this:

Me: Are you a priest?
Him: Yes.
Me: How do I know that?
Him: What do you think a priest should look like? <with a smile or smirk?>
Me: Well I’d be expecting you to wear a collar, or your stole . {Then I looked down at his hands and sort of gestured to them} I don’t even know if you’re wearing a ring.
Him: <smile/smirk gone and opening his hands> No I’m not wearing a ring.
Me: I’m not from this parish and I’ve never seen you before, so how do I know you’re a priest? I’ve had a deacon try and hear my confession and I’m not looking for that to happen again. I’m sorry sir but I’m just not comfortable with you hearing my confession. I’m the last one out there sir.
This was very disrespectful to the priest. He already said so, and even then, I don’t even think it was appropriate to ask. Moreover, calling him “sir” only served to reinforce this disrespect.

His word should have been enough.
 
I gotta say I was a bit surprised by your responses otjm and porthos.
He told you he was a priest. it seems to me that leaving him after you had entered and asked your questions is not respectful of his office - priest, alter Christus.
This was very disrespectful to the priest. He already said so, and even then, I don’t even think it was appropriate to ask. Moreover, calling him “sir” only served to reinforce this disrespect.

His word should have been enough.
If a person came up to you and told you he was a cop and you should get in his car would you? No uniform? No badge? It wouldn’t be appropriate to ask to see his badge?

I respect the office of priesthood- I just don’t respect the guy who presented himself to me as a priest that day. I wonder if he respects the priestly office and if he is a priest and does respect the office, why doesn’t he bother to wear a collar or a stole while he’s ministering?

And why didn’t he attempt to stop me from leaving if he was concerned about ministering to me?

When the deacon told me he could hear my confession I should have just told it to him also? Because he told me so? Because after I questioned him and he told me that while most deacons couldn’t, that he could - so I should have just told him my confession because he said he had the faculties?
I can pretty much read an expression.
And I can’t?
are you trying to read into a smile - something that seems innocent - a different attitude because he did not meet your expectations?
He could’ve responded to my question of “how do I know” is so many positive ways. Yet he responded to me with a question, not an aswer. And HE referred to his appearance.
It is easy to categorize people as “liberals” and then simply dismiss them,
Your words. I don’t recall using the word liberal nor categorizing him as one.
 
Deacons and confession.
Only a priest or bishop can hear confessions and grant absolution. In certain, limited, circumstances, a deacon might be able to hear confession, but it would not be the Sacrament of Penance, because he cannot grant absolution. That’s what a veteran permanent deacon told me.
 
Deacons and confession.
Only a priest or bishop can hear confessions and grant absolution. In certain, limited, circumstances, a deacon might be able to hear confession, but it would not be the Sacrament of Penance, because he cannot grant absolution. That’s what a veteran permanent deacon told me.
Trick question-can a Lutheran pastor hear your confession in an emergency?

Answer-Sure, but he can’t give you valid absolution. Same with a deacon, he could hear what you have to say but since he cannot give you absolution (and since he is a Catholic man in Orders) he shouldn’t really “hear a confession” in order not to confuse people and lead them to think he’s trying to perform a sacramental confession.
 
Trick question-can a Lutheran pastor hear your confession in an emergency?

Answer-Sure, but he can’t give you valid absolution. Same with a deacon, he could hear what you have to say but since he cannot give you absolution (and since he is a Catholic man in Orders) he shouldn’t really “hear a confession” in order not to confuse people and lead them to think he’s trying to perform a sacramental confession.
Meaning, in other words, don’t even bother because if he can’t give you absolution, it’s just like telling your best friend that you fantasize about his girlfriend. 😉
 
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