Priestly Powers

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If a priest has sex, does he lose his powers? Like transubstantiation of Holy Communion, absolution, etc… And what happens to the person who got absolution? Are they forgiven or not?
 
:rotfl:Priestly powers,I got tickled the way you put it.Regardless of the Priests state (mortal sin) the Eucharist is still valid as is confession absolution.God Bless
 
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The transubstantiation in the Eucharist and absolution in reconciliation and other graces in other sacraments still takes place. Keep in mind that it is God not the human priest who transfers the grace in the sacraments. Hope this helps.

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If a priest has sex, does he lose his powers?
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Not unless there’s green kryptonite nearby.
 
The notion that unworthy priests invalidated the sacraments was one of the herisies fought by St. Augustine. I think it was called Docetism. The general rule is that the church supplies in cases where something about the ritual was not quite correct.
 
I think it’s reasonable to say, in regards to the humanity of priests like all humans being in a fallen state, that if the ministry of the Sacraments was dependent on the sanctity of the priest there would be no ministry of the Sacraments.
 
Thanks for all the info. Now, if a priest says “This is Jesus’s Body” instead of “This is my body,” does transubstantiation still take place? I believe it was a priest that said it was invalid but I don’t know what that means. Also, if a priest says “I forgive you” instead of “I absolve you,” I was also told it was invalid. What does that mean?
 
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When the priest says, “This is my body”, “This is my blood”, “I absolve you”, etc., he is speaking in personae Chirsti (sp?). Meaning it is Christ who is conferrring the grace through the person of the priest. The Real Presence is there! Jesus is doing the job! Hope this helps.
 
maryprayforme said:
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When the priest says, “This is my body”, “This is my blood”, “I absolve you”, etc., he is speaking in personae Chirsti (sp?). Meaning it is Christ who is conferrring the grace through the person of the priest. The Real Presence is there! Jesus is doing the job! Hope this helps.
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Thanks for your response. However, what does invalid mean? When they don’t speak in personae Christi, does that mean that the Eucharist doesn’t change?
 
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The notion that unworthy priests invalidated the sacraments was one of the herisies fought by St. Augustine. I think it was called Docetism. The general rule is that the church supplies in cases where something about the ritual was not quite correct.
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It was Donatism not Docetism. The Catholic Encyclopedia has good synopsis on both. www.newadvent.org
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Thanks for all the info. Now, if a priest says “This is Jesus’s Body” instead of “This is my body,” does transubstantiation still take place? I believe it was a priest that said it was invalid but I don’t know what that means. Also, if a priest says “I forgive you” instead of “I absolve you,” I was also told it was invalid. What does that mean?
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When a sacrament is said to be invalid it means that there was no sacrament. So in the instance of the Eucharist transubstantiation does not take place and the elements are still bread and wine. In the case of Penance no absolution was given. There are four aspects of a sacrament: Form, Matter, Intent, and proper Minister.

For example: If the priest said “This is Jesus’s Body” then the Form was not followed and his Intent becomes suspect by the very act of not using the proper liturgical form. I would doubt this sacrament twofold. I would not therefore receive if this were the case.

Pax,
Keith
 
If you do something really wrong, and the Cardinal dressed in white with a white cape, will send you a nasty gram called a papal letter, of which you are hearby defrocked. He will shake his croixer and suck up all the priestly powers. And than you will not be able to get a jobeth, excepteth at the prysbeterian church taking out the trash.
 
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Bill_A:
If you do something really wrong, and the Cardinal dressed in white with a white cape, will send you a nasty gram called a papal letter, of which you are hearby defrocked. He will shake his croixer and suck up all the priestly powers. And than you will not be able to get a jobeth, excepteth at the prysbeterian church taking out the trash.
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Amen!
 
maryprayforme said:
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When the priest says, “This is my body”, “This is my blood”, “I absolve you”, etc., he is speaking in personae Chirsti (sp?). Meaning it is Christ who is conferrring the grace through the person of the priest. The Real Presence is there! Jesus is doing the job! Hope this helps.
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The priest is not free to change the words of consecration.
 
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The priest is not free to change the words of consecration.
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Hmm. trying to see where in my quote I said the priest was able to change the words of the consecration. Thanks for the correction of what I did not say.
 
Sorry, maryprayforme, I clicked on the wrong post when quoting. I intended to reply to the original poster who mentioned that the priest said "“This is Jesus’s Body” instead of “This is my body.” If he’s changing the words, the validity of the sacrament is suspect.
 
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JimG:
Sorry, maryprayforme, I clicked on the wrong post when quoting. I intended to reply to the original poster who mentioned that the priest said "“This is Jesus’s Body” instead of “This is my body.” If he’s changing the words, the validity of the sacrament is suspect.
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No problem Jim! I am sorry too. Lately I have felt that I have been attacked a lot on these boards in other threads. Please forgive me for rushing and snapping at you. :bowdown2:
 
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