Priests And The Latin Mass

[rescath]

I thought that some of the recent Pompey discoveries have indeed found that some of the early liturgies were in Latin. If so, they were probably said (pronounced) in the classic Latin, not the ecclesiastical Latin made popular by Pius X. For as long as they had the Latin, the words and meanings hardly ever changed.

We don’t really know what classical Latin sounded like anyway – since obviously no one spoke it. It was reconstructed from transliterations into other languages that were often approximations.

In any case, the slight differences in pronunciation are not a big deal. Even before V2, there were variances. Germans, for example, and the British, often used what would be considered a more classical and less Italian type of pronunciation.

It’s not enough for priests to just read phonetically – I would certainly be uncomfortable with a priest who didn’t have a decent working knowledge of the language trying to confect any of the Sacraments in Latin. I’d be concerned about them butchering the essential form into invalidity.

 

[BlyssfulDreamer]

What I wonder also, is how the servers learn the Latin so well. They were saying it like it was second nature to them (probably is)

:heart:Blyss

 

[BobP123]

What I wonder also, is how the servers learn the Latin so well. They were saying it like it was second nature to them (probably is)

:heart:Blyss

Where are those nuns when you need them?

 

[rwoehmke]

I thought that some of the recent Pompey discoveries have indeed found that some of the early liturgies were in Latin. If so, they were probably said (pronounced) in the classic Latin, not the ecclesiastical Latin made popular by Pius X. For as long as they had the Latin, the words and meanings hardly ever changed.

The vernacular in Pompey would have been Latin. The Eastern Portion of the Church used Greek, while the West used Latin. Most of the Churches that Paul founded would have spoken Greek. Messages between the Pope and the Patriarchs of Alexandria, Constantinople and Antioch often required translation.

 

[rwoehmke]

What I wonder also, is how the servers learn the Latin so well. They were saying it like it was second nature to them (probably is) :heart:Blyss

Many of us just sheer memorized the prayers with sometimes a dim idea of what we were saying. Sister and the Priests never required us to be able to say what was being said in English. That was more than 60 years ago and I can still spout some of those prayers.

 

[BobP123]

Many of us just sheer memorized the prayers with sometimes a dim idea of what we were saying. Sister and the Priests never required us to be able to say what was being said in English. That was more than 60 years ago and I can still spout some of those prayers.

That may be true but as a kid I had Protestant friends in public schools who bragged that they knew more Latin than many Catholics did. We used to have contests as to who could say the Gloria the fastest.

Remember, the Latin Mass isn’t just for Catholics anymore.

 

[ASimpleSinner]

No, many priests don’t know nearly enough Latin to say Latin mass.

And of those who do, most do not know the particular rubrics of the Tridentine rite mass.

Even if it were taught (my understanding is that it is not taught) , what you don’t use you will lose and since the vast majority of priests don’t say Latin mass, they probably couldn’t even if they were trained in the seminary.

The FSSP - Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter - has begun to hold seminars for priests wishing to learn the Old Mass.

Given the resources available online for daily aid in rubrics, or for listening to samples of Latin, or observing recordings of the liturgy, the resources are now more available than ever before.

Lets remember, the fellas being ordained these days have put in 6-8 years (or more) in formation. I suspect fellas that can do that, can learn some Latin if someone can teach them.

 

[Sarabande]

The FSSP - Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter - has begun to hold seminars for priests wishing to learn the Old Mass.

Given the resources available online for daily aid in rubrics, or for listening to samples of Latin, or observing recordings of the liturgy, the resources are now more available than ever before.

Lets remember, the fellas being ordained these days have put in 6-8 years (or more) in formation. I suspect fellas that can do that, can learn some Latin if someone can teach them.

I would agree.

We also have a Catholic organization in our area called the “International Institute for Culture” that offers Latin and Greek classes. They have some wonderful seminars as well and will be doing a Culture and Faith seminar in Europe this summer.

 

[ASimpleSinner]

I would agree.

We also have a Catholic organization in our area called the “International Institute for Culture” that offers Latin and Greek classes. They have some wonderful seminars as well and will be doing a Culture and Faith seminar in Europe this summer.

With the advent of the internet, groups like that don’t even have to be close by…

If we could get a little more tech savy, classes, lesson plans, learning material could all be online or available for download to iPods and such.

If YouTube.com can be used to download short films of cats dancing, TV commercials, and Romainian music videos… Well, I can’t come up with a good reason for why it can’t be used to better impart the faith.

Through history there were many orders that have arisen to meet the needs of the times. Perhaps the time is ripe for a religous order dedicated to web catechesis and learning.

I can’t help but believe, if St. Ignatius were working today, he’d have a website!

 

[Caesar]

Interestingly, I think the Holy See still requires seminarians to learn Latin, with a basic knowledge of Greek and Hebrew. Obviously it is easy to ignore Rome.

 

[Malcolm_McLean]

Interestingly, I think the Holy See still requires seminarians to learn Latin, with a basic knowledge of Greek and Hebrew. Obviously it is easy to ignore Rome.

The vast majority of British seminarians are taught Latin, and I think all. I used to have Latin lessons from a young priest. However there are some very liberal seminaries in the US.

 

[BobP123]

Interestingly, I think the Holy See still requires seminarians to learn Latin, with a basic knowledge of Greek and Hebrew. Obviously it is easy to ignore Rome.

From the current code of Canon Law:

Can. 249 The Charter of Priestly Formation is to provide that the students are not only taught their native language accurately, but are also well versed in latin, and have a suitable knowledge of other languages which would appear to be necessary or useful for their formation or for the exercise of their pastoral ministry.