Priest's Suits and Cassocks

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Young_Thinker said:
Thank you, Brother, but I thought that the Jesuits do not have an official habit. As for wearing a Cross, I did not necessarily mean a pectoral one.
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The cassock is their habit but they may have removed its use from their constitutions, some orders/communities have done so.

Some are returning to the habit but lay out explicit rules on when and where it is to be worn.
Young_Thinker said:
I did not know that one could become both a Franciscan and join the F.S.S.P. How interesting.
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He can’t.
Bbigam said:
Ah, good to know. I don’t recall if he wore the crucifix. He did have some sort of lapel pin that he wore on the cassock (that’s not the right word, no lapel on a cassock…). He was for a time the parochial vicar at our parish, but I was just starting to come to the Church and didn’t get a chance to get to know him. He was a great homilist, great chanter, and reverent celebrant. I recall that he always chose the Confiteor for the penitential rite, and often used the Roman Canon and lots of incense.
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The pin is of the Return of the Prodigal Son.

It appears that the crucifix is only worn when on mission,

Here is a picture of their superior, with both the pin and the crucifix.

I know a little about them as they were one of the groups I seriously considered in my vocational discernment.
 
ByzCath said:
The cassock is their habit but they may have removed its use from their constitutions, some orders/communities have done so.
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That’s possible, but as far as I know, the cassock is still on the books. Whether any of them wear it or not is a different story. As I recall, the Jesuit’s aversion to the cassock started quite some years ago. No, they never had a habit per-se; it was indeed a cassock, and one which was quite different from the usual Roman style: it has no buttons and is a wrap-around affair, girded with a relatively narrow sash. It was also the inspiration for the horrid “semi-Jebis” that are sometimes used by secular clergy.
 
ByzCath said:
The cassock is their habit but they may have removed its use from their constitutions, some orders/communities have done so.

Some are returning to the habit but lay out explicit rules on when and where it is to be worn.

He can’t.

The pin is of the Return of the Prodigal Son.

It appears that the crucifix is only worn when on mission,

Here is a picture of their superior, with both the pin and the crucifix.

I know a little about them as they were one of the groups I seriously considered in my vocational discernment.
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All right.
 
Here is a paragraph which I found upon Wikipedia:
  • Habit and dress
    Jesuits do not have an official habit. In the Constitutions of the Society, it gives these instructions concerning clothing; “The clothing too should have three characteristics: first, it should be proper; second, conformed to the usage of the country of residence; and third, not contradictory to the poverty we profess…” (Const. 577)
Historically, a “Jesuit-style cassock” became standard issue: it wrapped around the body and was tied with a cincture, rather than the customary buttoned front, a tuftless biretta (only diocesan clergy wore tufts), and a simple cape. As such, though Jesuit garb appeared distinctive, and became identifiable over time, it was the common priestly dress of Ignatius’ day. During the missionary periods of the Continental Americas, the various native peoples referred to Jesuits as “Blackrobes” because of their black cassocks.

Today, most Jesuits wear the Roman collar tab shirts in non-liturgical, ministerial settings.[32]*
 
Young_Thinker said:
I did not know that one could become both a Franciscan and join the F.S.S.P. How interesting.
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I’m not sure how it works, but I know the community is listed as an apostolate of the FSSP and that the priest is a Franciscan (O.F.M.). It’s fully supported by the bishop.
Here’s the website:
lexingtonlatinmass.org/
although it appears to be down at the moment. (It’s normally up and running, I check it regularly, and go to Mass there about once a month.)
 
Bbigam said:
I’m not sure how it works, but I know the community is listed as an apostolate of the FSSP and that the priest is a Franciscan (O.F.M.). It’s fully supported by the bishop.
Here’s the website:
lexingtonlatinmass.org/
although it appears to be down at the moment. (It’s normally up and running, I check it regularly, and go to Mass there about once a month.)
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All right.
 
ByzCath said:
The Jesuits, as a religious order have a habit, it is a cassock
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Do they still wear the cassock? I was under the impression they switched (sometime after the Second Vatican Council) to the Roman collar/suit combination, just like other priests.
 
I am presently curious about the Servite friar’s habit. I know that they wear a black scapular, but is it over a cassock or do they wear as their main garment, as perhaps under a cloak?
 
Matariel said:
Do they still wear the cassock? I was under the impression they switched (sometime after the Second Vatican Council) to the Roman collar/suit combination, just like other priests.
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I guess that it is an issue of the popular preference of the priests, not what is their actual habit or clerical vestments. However, I am sure that there are some Jesuits who adhere to “the rules” and wear a “Loyolan” cassock.
 
ByzCath said:
Keep in mind that these “rules” are for secular priests.

Priests of religious orders/communities will follow what their statues/constitutions say.

As a Carmelite, we may wear the Roman collar or our habit. We may do this from the novitiate on.

So a brother, such as myself, may wear either the habit or the Roman collar.
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I am confused. Novices can wear clerical suits(I always thought that it was practically taboo for any monk or friar who is not under major orders to wear one)? Thank you for clarifying this.
 
Young_Thinker said:
I guess that it is an issue of the popular preference of the priests, not what is their actual habit or clerical vestments. However, I am sure that there are some Jesuits who adhere to “the rules” and wear a “Loyolan” cassock.
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While I’ve never either seen or even heard of one, I suppose there are probably a few SJs somewhere who either avoided or weathered the standard Jesuit aversion to the cassock.
Young_Thinker said:
I am confused. Novices can wear clerical suits(I always thought that it was practically taboo for any monk or friar who is not under major orders to wear one)? Thank you for clarifying this.
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Keep in mind, though, that it does depend on the particular community. I recall from years ago some novices and scholastics (one group was OMI; there were others but I don’t recall which in specific at the moment) who wore a black suit with a white shirt and black necktie. They were only allowed the Roman collar upon ordination to the diaconate. The same was actually true of some diocesan seminarians.
 
malphono said:
Keep in mind, though, that it does depend on the particular community. I recall from years ago some novices and scholastics (one group was OMI; there were others but I don’t recall which in specific at the moment) who wore a black suit with a white shirt and black necktie. They were only allowed the Roman collar upon ordination to the diaconate. The same was actually true of some diocesan seminarians.
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Black suit and neck tie is what is worn at the Evening Prayer where the pre-novice is clothed in the habit and becomes a novice.

At that moment the novice can wear the habit at any time. They may also where the Roman Collar while ministering in a setting where the habit is unacceptable. Such as in a hospital or jail setting. Those are the only times I know of a novice wearing the collar.

As a vowed religious we may wear the collar with the approval of our superior who has granted it to all of us. After all we only have a few habits (I only I have one) and we do not always have a clean one to wear. Also, again, the habit it not the right set of clothing to wear in all ministerial settings.
 
pro_multis said:
Fruits of Vatican II. Novus Ordo priests have worked hard to marginalize themselves and bring themselves down in the eyes of the people. This has been accomplished through a number of ways:
Calling priests “Father [insert first name]”
Priests not wearing clothes that identify themselves as priests in public
Priests abdicating many roles reserved for priests in the mass: reading the epistle; handling the blessed sacrament; distributing communion under both species; and other things
Abdicating many decisions in the parish to various ccommittees comprised of laypeople
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How offensive. I’ve seen the slur “Novus Ordo Mass” and even “N.O. Mass” used. I’ve even seen “Novus Ordo or N.O. parish.” Now “Novus Ordo Priest”? How utterly offensive! ** They’re Catholic Priests of the Latin Rite.**

Suggesting your little list are “Fruits of Vatican II” is nothing more than a lie meant to offend others.
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malphono said:
While I’ve never either seen or even heard of one, I suppose there are probably a few SJs somewhere who either avoided or weathered the standard Jesuit aversion to the cassock…
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The Jebbies have their own style of cassock. They remind me a lot of a black eastern riassa.
 
ByzCath said:
The Jesuits, as a religious order have a habit, it is a cassock.

The Cross or whatever else you chose to wear but not be seen, as it is not part of the habit and only a bishop may wear a pectoral cross in the Latin Church (that is unless an order has it as part of their habit like the Fathers of Mercy).
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They are a society.
 
malphono said:
While I’ve never either seen or even heard of one, I suppose there are probably a few SJs somewhere who either avoided or weathered the standard Jesuit aversion to the cassock.

Keep in mind, though, that it does depend on the particular community. I recall from years ago some novices and scholastics (one group was OMI; there were others but I don’t recall which in specific at the moment) who wore a black suit with a white shirt and black necktie. They were only allowed the Roman collar upon ordination to the diaconate. The same was actually true of some diocesan seminarians.
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All right.
 
Young_Thinker said:
I am presently curious about the Servite friar’s habit. I know that they wear a black scapular, but is it over a cassock or do they wear as their main garment, as perhaps under a cloak?
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I just am confused about monastic scapulars and their relation to other clothing.
 
Young_Thinker said:
I just am confused about monastic scapulars and their relation to other clothing.
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I’ve never met a Servite so I really don’t know what their “main garment” looks like. A scapular, though, is not a “main garment” but is, rather, worn over it. Someone wearing nothing but a scapular would get mighty cold in winter (not to mention the embarrassment year round :eek: ).
 
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