Priest's Suits and Cassocks

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malphono said:
I’ve never met a Servite so I really don’t know what their “main garment” looks like. A scapular, though, is not a “main garment” but is, rather, worn over it. Someone wearing nothing but a scapular would get mighty cold in winter (not to mention the embarrassment year round :eek: ).
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Thank you; I am sorry for the silly question. I am going to assume that they wear a black robe underneath their scapular.
 
I finally found what I was looking for. According to the New Catholic Encyclopedia (2nd Ed.), the Servite habit consists of a “black tunic, scapular, a cowl with an attached hood, and a leather belt.”
 
It is that terrible how the mantelleta and cappa magna are almost completely forbidden(with the former being abolished), as by Paul VI. I think that a prelate should be able to wear whatever he wishes. I hope that a Traditional-minded Pope revives them in the future.
 
Young_Thinker said:
It is that terrible how the mantelleta and cappa magna are almost completely forbidden(with the former being abolished), as by Paul VI. I think that a prelate should be able to wear whatever he wishes. I hope that a Traditional-minded Pope revives them in the future.
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I know that we are supposed to humble, but why should the Pope tell his bishops that they cannot wear such beautiful clothing when he wears the mantum? I know that I probably sound strange when saying this(a Catholic associate at college said, “you actually want to wear all those robes?” when I was speaking about priestly attire and mentioned that bishops have more variety in dress than “lower” clerics.)
 
Young_Thinker said:
I know that we are supposed to humble, but why should the Pope tell his bishops that they cannot wear such magnificent clothing when he wears the mantum? I know that I probably sound strange when saying this(a Catholic associate at college said, “you actually want to wear all those robes?” when I was speaking about priestly attire and mentioned that bishops have more variety in dress than “lower” clerics.)
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However, does anyone if Benedict XVI has relaxed the “Johanno-Pauline” restrictions on prelates’ choir-dress even a little? I know that prospective priests and brothers(as myself) are supposed to have a distaste for anything rich or wordly, but I confess that I love beautiful things, yet I am also frugal.
 
I am also curious; can anyone tell as to when a cappello romano is appropriate as opposed to a biretta? I do not think that “mere” priests can wear zucchetti, but anyone seen(in person) a priest wear a rabat or clerical waistcoat lately?
 
Young_Thinker said:
I am also curious; can anyone tell as to when a cappello romano is appropriate as opposed to a biretta?
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The biretta is quasi-liturgical, but in Rome, (and I’ve seen it done elsewhere in Italy, too), the cappello is still often worn with a cassock as street-wear. It is never worn in church.
Young_Thinker said:
I do not think that “mere” priests can wear zucchetti, but anyone seen(in person) a priest wear a rabat or clerical waistcoat lately?
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In former times, (before the “reforms” of Pius IX), simple priests did wear a type of zuchetto. Have a look at just about any representation of S Jean Vianney (le curé d’Ars) for an example.

As for the rabat-vest, yes. I know several priests and bishops who do so. It makes a far nicer appearance than the tongue-depressor shirts. I also know several who sometimes wear attachable “pontiff 2” or “pontiff 3” collars instead of a rabat.
 
Young_Thinker said:
I am also curious; can anyone tell as to when a cappello romano is appropriate as opposed to a biretta? I do not think that “mere” priests can wear zucchetti, but anyone seen(in person) a priest wear a rabat or clerical waistcoat lately?
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My priest (a Benedictine) wears a black zuchetto. And several priests that work in the chancery wear rabats.
 
According to “The Church Visible” the black zuchetto is still authorized for wear outside the liturgy.

The capello romano is a short moderately wide-brimmed hat (similar to a short bowler) for non-liturgical wear. Still authorized, just no longer common.

Priests are black with black band and/or cords
Deacons and seminarians would be simple black.
At present, the hat is black except for the pope, who wears white in summer and red in winter.
Prelates wear cords or bands of the appropriate color. Gold may be worked on them.
 
Aramis said:
According to “The Church Visible” the black zuchetto is still authorized for wear outside the liturgy.

The capello romano is a short moderately wide-brimmed hat (similar to a short bowler) for non-liturgical wear. Still authorized, just no longer common.

Priests are black with black band and/or cords
Deacons and seminarians would be simple black.
At present, the hat is black except for the pope, who wears white in summer and red in winter.
Prelates wear cords or bands of the appropriate color. Gold may be worked on them.
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I apprecate the information; I believe that the cappello romano is also called a saturno.
 
patwolford said:
My priest (a Benedictine) wears a black zuchetto. And several priests that work in the chancery wear rabats.
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That’s a bit different: OSBs have this as part of their habit. I’m not certain, but it may now be optional.
Aramis said:
According to “The Church Visible” the black zuchetto is still authorized for wear outside the liturgy.
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Could be, but I don’t think so. To my knowledge, (as explained by a JCD/JOCD), currently only Canon Lawyers may wear a black zuchetto non-liturgically.
 
malphono said:
The biretta is quasi-liturgical, but in Rome, (and I’ve seen it done elsewhere in Italy, too), the cappello is still often worn with a cassock as street-wear. It is never worn in church.

In former times, (before the “reforms” of Pius IX), simple priests did wear a type of zuchetto. Have a look at just about any representation of S Jean Vianney (le curé d’Ars) for an example.

As for the rabat-vest, yes. I know several priests and bishops who do so. It makes a far nicer appearance than the tongue-depressor shirts. I also know several who sometimes wear attachable “pontiff 2” or “pontiff 3” collars instead of a rabat.
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Thank you. I never thought of Pius IX(is not he Blessed?) as a reformer(except before the Revolution of 1848)…
 
Hey, crenfro,

I think maybe you are thinking of this; The name Cossack (Ukrainian: kozak) is derived from the Turkic kazak (free man), meaning anyone who could not find his appropriate place in society and went into the steppes, where he acknowledged no authority.

its all in the spelling. Cheers :yup:
 
I went to the priory this morning thinking to leave some food on the step. One of the brothers was in the shed and came out to greet me. He was stripping down an engine on a scooter and was wearing his working cassock…stained with oil, splattered with paint as only a man could manage…so yes our religious wear them always in public or even about the home.👍

One priest I know of goes mountain climbing with soutane, and of course a game of football is no impediment either.😃
 
Also, does a priest **have to ** wear trousers and a collared shirt underneath his cassock? I do not see why would have to wear anything but “private garments” underneath, but I would think that a plain t-shirt would be all right when he is not wearing an amice.
 
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