Priests tell jokes in homilies, incite laughter, clapping, vs. reverence

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You guys are gonna freak out when all the Churches finally unite under the Holy Father and all the non-Catholic Christians come to Mass.

Hundreds of Baptists are going to come and they are gonna sing so loud that it gives you a headache, clapping and stomping :clapping:, praising Jesus :extrahappy: and raising their hands :bowdown2: during the opening collect.

The Evangelical converts are going to become priests and deacons, and homiles are going to be two hours long. :okpeople:

And forget about handshakes, Methodists are just gonna huuuuuuuuuuuuuug you to death during the sign of peace. :hug1:

What are you all gonna do then? I hope I live to see all yall’s faces. 😃

-Tim-
And the Anglicans will make us sing decent hymns… cool-smileys.com/images/2085.gif…while they maintain smug looks which suggest “It was actually us who were right all along…”

I couldn’t bear it :mad:
 
You guys are gonna freak out when all the Churches finally unite under the Holy Father and all the non-Catholic Christians come to Mass.

Hundreds of Baptists are going to come and they are gonna sing so loud that it gives you a headache, clapping and stomping :clapping:, praising Jesus :extrahappy: and raising their hands :bowdown2: during the opening collect.

The Evangelical converts are going to become priests and deacons, and homiles are going to be two hours long. :okpeople:

And forget about handshakes, Methodists are just gonna huuuuuuuuuuuuuug you to death during the sign of peace. :hug1:

What are you all gonna do then? I hope I live to see all yall’s faces. 😃

-Tim-
sounds like a party not a mass.
 
The Holy Father Benedict XVI had this to say about applause (the quote is snipped from a larger one about “liturgical dance”)
Benedict XVI:
Wherever applause breaks out in the liturgy because of some human achievement, it is a sure sign that the essence of liturgy has totally disappeared and been replaced by a kind of religious entertainment.
it is a excerpt from Cardinal Ratzinger’s book The Spirit of the Liturgy
Thanks Elizium23 and april32010 . . . awesome !
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This is very interesting, I must read more on this. thanks.
For anyone else who, like myself , doesn’t own a copy of the book The Spirit of the Liturgy , Catholic Education Resource Center has expounded upon it with excerpts (about 12 paragraphs) ; included in it is the section quoted above on "Liturgical Dance", and some other categories such as "Silence, Music and Logos, On External Actions . . . "

The link is here : Music and Liturgy , Pope Benedict XVI
 
Does that include all non-Mass activities? If so, I stand corrected indeed.
Offhand, I don’t recall the Church document where I read about it. As I recall, the distinction was between ‘secular’ and ‘religious’ events. If a Catholic group is having an event in the church that’s related to parish activities, then you don’t need to remove the reserved Eucharist. If it’s a secular event (such as a concert, which was your example), then removing the Eucharist is proper.

However, let’s suppose that, when you wrote ‘concert’, you meant ‘Catholic activity outside of Liturgy’. In that context, then laughter wouldn’t necessarily be out of context. However, by defining it in that way, you’ve already gone outside of the context of the OP’s question, which specifically had to deal with jokes within the context of liturgy.

So… inside of liturgy, your question doesn’t hold. Outside of liturgy (but still in a Catholic context), we’re already not meeting the OP’s question. Outside of liturgy and in a secular context, the Eucharist shouldn’t even be present.

Does that help?
 
I think we as a Catholic people have lost a sense of the Numinous. To be in the presence of the Divine ought to cause us to be astounded into Great Silence.

As author and poet Annie Dillard said (paraphrasing): if Catholics really understood what was happening at the Mass we’d all be wearing crash helmets and not dainty little Sunday hats to Mass!

Indeed!
Really? King David was truly in the presence of the Divine when he scandalised the stuffy by dancing half naked before the Ark. And he was anything but silent. His psalms constantly exhort us to worship The Lord as joyfully as possible - with singing, dancing and every manner of noisy musical instrument. There is no hint that these things are only to be employed outside of formal worship either.

This was a man uniquely labelled by God as being one after God’s own heart - so David had a sense of the numinous and of what was due to God if anyone did.

So much so that God aimed His displeasure at David’s chief critic among the stuffies - his wife Michal - rather than David.
 
Hi,
I was thought that you do not laugh or clap in mass. Not even at weddings. If you are in a church where the Blessed Sacrament is present in the Tabernacle, you are reverent.

I went to a healing ministry by a Charismatic Priest where he spoke over several nights in the church about healing spiritual problems. There was much laughter at his jokes during his speeches.

A couple of weekends ago, a priest leads us to giving a round of applause to the choir at the end of the mass.

Priest seem to constantly feel the need to tell a joke and do it in a way that incites laughter from the “audience.” I have seen some priest use humor in such a way that does not actually cause people to laugh out loud.

Priest have visitors stand up and be recognized.

I thought I understood what was going on at the mass, and it does not make me want to laugh while I am there or clap for random people while I am in the presence of Almighty God.

Also what about those people who taught me I should always be reverent when in a church no matter what. Is this view of reverence appropriate?
Is my definition of reverence wrong?
Do the Popes do these things?
God invented humor. Seems like a little humor is appropriate ever now and then or during the Charasmatic Priest’s presentations?
I’m confused.
what are your thoughts?
J
I think we should pray for our priests and not criticize every thing they do.
 
Are parish priest don’t tell jokes only makes a witty remarked

In nomine Patris, + et Filii, et Spiritus Sancti. Amen.
Introibo ad altare Dei. R: Ad deum qui laetificat juventutem meam.
 
I think we should pray for our priests and not criticize every thing they do.
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Always the most noble of actions - and we get confirmation of it right from the top:
The Holy Father concluded with a message directed to priests and the sick. To the priests, as “ministers of the sick,” he said, “not to hold back in giving care and comfort to the sick.” To the sick, he implored, “I ask you to pray and offer your sufferings for priests, that they may remain faithful to their vocations and that their ministry be rich in spiritual fruits, to the benefit of the entire church.”

On a given occasion , a considerable amount of us can tend to be poor listeners during a homily , for various reasons. Sometimes a priest or deacon when beginning a homily, might use a joke as a way of getting people’s attention and then trying to hold it while they give the homily’s message.

But if you’ve ever seen when this type of thing backfires . . . sometimes it isn’t very pretty.:ouch:

Roughly, in basic terms, there are two main parts to the movement of the Mass: The Liturgy of the Word and the Liturgy of the Eucharist.

If there is something which is going to significantly detract from, distract or divert our attention away from either God’s word and/or from God Himself in those Liturgies , and most importantly away from Our Blessed Lord’s Presence in the Eucharist , then those things are better left out.
Excerpt from the Catechism of the Catholic Church
1382
The Mass is at the same time, and inseparably, the sacrificial memorial in which the sacrifice of the cross is perpetuated and the sacred banquet of communion with the Lord’s body and blood. But the celebration of the Eucharistic sacrifice is wholly directed toward the intimate union of the faithful with Christ through communion. To receive communion is to receive Christ himself who has offered himself for us.
 
I thought I understood what was going on at the mass, and it does not make me want to laugh while I am there or clap for random people while I am in the presence of Almighty
To be quite honest with you, I hope that when in the presence of Almighty God that I desire to laugh and clap for random people (as long as who I am clapping for is due to their Godly endeavor----whatever that may be).

I say this as someone who does not care for the ‘prompted’ laughing and clapping that goes on at some masses. To me, it can be distracting…unprompted laughter and clapping can be nice and actually add to the liturgy. I’ve experienced this before…it is rare and unexpected. There is something to be said about spontaneous laughter…of course clapping generally isn’t spontaneous like laughter can be.
 
I don’t get this thread. :confused:

Did this joking and laughter happen in the Latin Mass that the OP attends? If so, wow. That’s pretty shocking.

If it happened in the OF Mass that the OP attends, then why didn’t the OP post this in the Lit and Sac. section? Why post it here and give traditional-leaning Catholics yet another opportunity to rag against the OF Mass and modern Catholicism?

:confused:

I think we need to honor the authority of our priests and humbly accept the homilies that they preach, trusting that the priest knows best what homilies are most appropriate and edifying for their particular congregations. The Holy Spirit is capable of convicting priests of any flaws, and will surely prompt priests to end the jokes if such jokes are indeed leading to irreverence and attrition from the Church. We really don’t need to help out the Holy Spirit.
 
I guess it comes down to what you can and cannot live with. What was the “joke” in the Homily? Was it "A Catholic a Baptist and a gorilla walk into a bar…? Or was he just trying some levity to connect with his parishoners? If it was the latter, quite frankly who cares? Grow a funny bone and pay attention to what the priest is saying.
Clapping? If people are putting effort into something, like singing, again whats the big deal? Its not like he interupted the Consecration or something.
If you go to Mass LOOKING for abuses, you’ll find them.
But if you go to worship, you won’t notice them because you’ll be too atune to being a sinner in the Presence of God.
 
Hi,
I was thought that you do not laugh or clap in mass. Not even at weddings.
Hi.

No necessary. Depend on when or what part of the mass.
If you are in a church where the Blessed Sacrament is present in the Tabernacle, you are reverent.
Yes, certainly so.
I went to a healing ministry by a Charismatic Priest where he spoke over several nights in the church about healing spiritual problems. There was much laughter at his jokes during his speeches.
During the homily, there is certainly nothing wrong for the audience to be responsive. I would rather a live audience that a dead one. If the priest says something funny to illustrate his point, it is just courtesy to acknowledge it if we want to. I think this give great encouragement to the priest and besides homilies are intended to be understood. If there are discrete and polite responses in body language and expression to his homily, I think that is very reasonable and there is no reason to disallow them. What we do not want is when people behave over the edge and be disrespectful towards the liturgy itself. There may be a thin line to separate the two but if we intended no disrespect and irreverence it normally shows and the result would not really brings the mass into disrepute.

But if one laughs like mad during the consecration, then that is definitely not right and we should question whether the person understand the mass or not. And perhaps someone can firmly nudge him or even bring him outside. I think only person with mental problem would do thing like that.
A couple of weekends ago, a priest leads us to giving a round of applause to the choir at the end of the mass.
I would appreciate this priest for appreciating those who serve the liturgy especially if they had made good effort to do it right. Problem is very often we are very reluctant to recognize such service from our brothers and sisters who serve in the church, in this case the liturgy.

There is nothing wrong to do that at the end of the mass. Very often just before the recessional hymn we would do that like acknowledging and thanking an outstation or a visiting priest who said the mass. We should be sensible enough to know the difference whether it interfere with the mass proper or not.
Priest seem to constantly feel the need to tell a joke and do it in a way that incites laughter from the “audience.” I have seen some priest use humor in such a way that does not actually cause people to laugh out loud.
It would be alright if it is during the homilies and the announcement. Other than that there is no reason he should change or interfere with the rubrics.
Priest have visitors stand up and be recognized.
This is a very hospitable thing to do which we did not do enough. Welcoming new comers to the church can be done before the mass start or at the end after the blessing.
I thought I understood what was going on at the mass, and it does not make me want to laugh while I am there or clap for random people while I am in the presence of Almighty God.
Certainly and you should not.
Also what about those people who taught me I should always be reverent when in a church no matter what. Is this view of reverence appropriate?
We should be always reverent in the house of God. However reverence does not mean that we are being stifled into not being allowed to do anything when appropriate.

There are many ways to do that. For example do not be late for the mass. If you come when the reading is being proclaimed, do not enter yet until it is finished. Do not talk during the homilies and be attentive and if needs be, be responsive even. Off your cell phones at all time. Be silent during the consecration and revere the host and the blood. Participate actively in the liturgy and the singing. If you bring your little children try to look after them and not let them run free to the sanctuary. Etc.
Is my definition of reverence wrong?
You can elaborate on that a bit though.
Do the Popes do these things?
Not very sure but John Paul II did feel at ease and he certainly engaged the crowd in his open masses around the world. There is certainly a place for everything.
God invented humor. Seems like a little humor is appropriate ever now and then or during the Charismatic Priest’s presentations?
Yes, when being used appropriately at the right moment during the mass. But as I said, a priest cannot change the rubric or interfere with it.
I’m confused.
what are your thoughts?
J
Hope that helps.

God bless you.
 
I don’t get this thread. :confused:

Did this joking and laughter happen in the Latin Mass that the OP attends? If so, wow. That’s pretty shocking.

If it happened in the OF Mass that the OP attends, then why didn’t the OP post this in the Lit and Sac. section? Why post it here and give traditional-leaning Catholics yet another opportunity to rag against the OF Mass and modern Catholicism?
My guess is its because this sub forum isn’t about the TLM; it about traditional practices. Solemnity and reverence during the mass used to be the norm (i.e tradition) regardless of the form or rite. I think its more a question of why that sense of quiet reserve seems to be disappearing.
 
Let us keep in mind that there are local traditions to account for… in Italy it is customary to clap at the end of a Requiem Mass. That has been the norm since before the 20th century.
 
If you go to Mass LOOKING for abuses, you’ll find them.
But if you go to worship, you won’t notice them because you’ll be too atune to being a sinner in the Presence of God.
At the end of Mass, before the final Blessing, if the Priest wants to applaud the beauty of the choir’s singing or if someone comes up to speak…then I think its perfectly fine to appaud.

What courage to sing and be heard…

What courage to rise from your seat and SPEAK from your HEART…

So Yes, appaud that God’s Holy Spirit is alive and well.

youtube.com/watch?v=B9vx4kP7X-k
 
Let us keep in mind that there are local traditions to account for… in Italy it is customary to clap at the end of a Requiem Mass. That has been the norm since before the 20th century.
Indeed. Local traditions have been incorporated into mass when appropriate. A good example is the sign of peace which is given according to the local custom. A bit of digression there since we are talking about clapping during the mass.

A good obersevance about the clapping at the end of that Requiem Mass. 😃
 
At the end of Mass, before the final Blessing, if the Priest wants to appaud the beauty of the choir’s singing or if someone comes up to speak…then I think its perfectly fine to appaud.

What courage to sing and be heard…

What courage to rise from your seat and SPEAK from your HEART…

So Yes, appaud that God’s Holy Spirit is alive and well.

youtube.com/watch?v=B9vx4kP7X-k
I agree with this.However,at my parish,the congregation has a tendency to break out in applause for the choir before,sometimes during:eek: and after the Mass. Our paster is getting better about cracking jokes,yet he has in the past ,come processing up the isle at the beginning of Mass and acts silly. I guess the jokes during the homily are permissible.
 
I agree with this.However,at my parish,the congregation has a tendency to break out in applause for the choir before,sometimes during:eek: and after the Mass. Our paster is getting better about cracking jokes,yet he has in the past ,come processing up the isle at the beginning of Mass and acts silly. I guess the jokes during the homily are permissible.
…are the majority of your Parish members Baptist converts?

Its funny somtimes when I see my elderly mother at Mass, (she is hard of hearing) and if she can’t hear the Priest or if he talks too long, she starts to pray; And she looks a lot like what Hannah must have looked like.
 
I agree with this.However,at my parish,the congregation has a tendency to break out in applause for the choir before,sometimes during:eek: and after the Mass. Our paster is getting better about cracking jokes,yet he has in the past ,come processing up the isle at the beginning of Mass and acts silly. I guess the jokes during the homily are permissible.
I think that is certainly out of place and you are right about that. It is not a concert; it is not like we are praising each number the choir is presenting and besides, the congregation are taking part in ths singing so it is not just the choir. But the priest can encourage them at the end of the mass but then again it should not be a regular thing for a particular choir group. Praise can get into our head. If the priest praised and acknlowledged them last week, he does not have to do it again this week. But the choir would know nevertheless that the priest and the congregation know that they are doing a good job.
 
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