Privacy of a Child's Confession

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How ridiculous.

This is very sacreligeous. Confessions are strictly between penitent and Priest.
 
My Diocese is considering implimenting a rule where a Priest must have another adult present with him when hearing confession from children. Does anyone else see problems with this?
Why? So we can have TWO people potentially molest the child? Or is it because only priests do it, and if the other witness was a layperson, the child would be absolutely safe. :mad: (note: these are sarcastic, annoyed statements. I just can’t an appropriate animation to go with it)

As both a priest and layperson I’d be furious with this.
 
My Diocese is considering implimenting a rule where a Priest must have another adult present with him when hearing confession from children. Does anyone else see problems with this?

Letter from Diocese:
rcec.london.on.ca/abuse/FatherSharpLetter-May29-2007.htm

News Article:
cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Features/2007/06/01/4226500-sun.html
I am sure there must be some kind of canon law that forbids this. It violates the child’s privacy.

Why can’t they just use normal confessionals, and skip the whole issue of both the priest and the child being in the same space? 🤷
 
While I would not claim to be an expert, I think this violates the seal of confession. Even if the other person could not hear what is said, simply being able to identify who is in the confessional is wrong, I believe. A priest is not even permitted to state if even heard the confession of a person, even to that person!

I think if a priest did this, it would get him in trouble with a bishop. If a bishop did this, it would get him in hot water with the Holy See.
 
Not a problem if the Church still has the old Confessionals, when it doesn’t like our newer Church it would be a wise idea to have confessions in an open area visible to others, but out of earshot. We do that for the individual portion of our Communal Penance services anyway. As a person who works a lot with young people in Scouting as well as in Religious matters I would be very hesitant to spend anytime alone with any of them. Once accused it is the very devil to prove you haven’t pulled some silly stunt. Safer is still far better than sorry.🙂
 
Not a problem if the Church still has the old Confessionals, when it doesn’t like our newer Church it would be a wise idea to have confessions in an open area visible to others, but out of earshot. We do that for the individual portion of our Communal Penance services anyway. As a person who works a lot with young people in Scouting as well as in Religious matters I would be very hesitant to spend anytime alone with any of them. Once accused it is the very devil to prove you haven’t pulled some silly stunt. Safer is still far better than sorry.🙂
Of course, a better solution would simply be to have separate rooms with the floor-to-ceiling screen and not have face-to-face confession at all. No physical contact can happen in that case.
 
My Diocese is considering implimenting a rule where a Priest must have another adult present with him when hearing confession from children. Does anyone else see problems with this?

Letter from Diocese:
rcec.london.on.ca/abuse/FatherSharpLetter-May29-2007.htm

News Article:
cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Features/2007/06/01/4226500-sun.html
I am almost certain this is in violation of Canon law. Someone should write a letter to the bishop expressing concerns over this. I suppose it is too much to ask to go back to the old-style confessionals that are too small to stand in, and if they want to go face to face, they can open the screen. This would solve so many problems.
 
Having watched the abuse issue for quite some time, I do not recall of any case noting that abuse happened during Reconcilliation. The whole issue is an over-reaction to a non-exisiting threat, not to mention a potential violation of the penitant’s right to the seal of confesion.
 
My Diocese is considering implimenting a rule where a Priest must have another adult present with him when hearing confession from children. Does anyone else see problems with this?

Letter from Diocese:
rcec.london.on.ca/abuse/FatherSharpLetter-May29-2007.htm

News Article:
cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Features/2007/06/01/4226500-sun.html
Technically I suppose that it would be permitted. Understanding that the child would have to agree and that both the priest and the other person would be under the seal of Confession.
 
My Diocese is considering implimenting a rule where a Priest must have another adult present with him when hearing confession from children. Does anyone else see problems with this?

Letter from Diocese:
rcec.london.on.ca/abuse/FatherSharpLetter-May29-2007.htm

News Article:
cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Features/2007/06/01/4226500-sun.html

If my diocese implemented this-----I would have moved. Just as my sins are between me—the priest—and God, the same would go for my child.
 
I wrote an e-mail to the Diocese as soon as I heard about this. The reply I got back indicated that Father Sharp was not intending that the second person be close enough to be able to hear the child’s Confession.

I’m still not clear on how it’s supposed to work, but the person who replied to my e-mail says that the child’s privacy would be completely respected, and the seal of the Confessional would not be violated.

The person who replied also agreed with me that the tradtional Confessionals would be another way to go, and probably makes a lot more sense. 🙂
 
Oh please!!! this is all just too wierd… Welcome to Canada! We follow Rome when they feel like it!:whacky: :whacky:
 
In my previous post I discussed a possible implimentation of a rule in my Diocese where children must have another adult with them when going to confession: forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=158153 That post was in regards to a brief and really unclear letter that mentioned concerns about confession. Well, now they’ve released the actual draft on what they are doing in regards to confession with children:
rcec.london.on.ca/abuse/draft%20policy.htm %between%

Some quotes of interest:

“The celebration of the sacrament of reconciliation with children is to be done in an open space that allows the penitent and the priest to be in full view of others.”
Doesn’t this seem to violate the possible desire of the child for his/her confession to be anonymous?

“The location of reconciliation rooms is to be in a high traffic area of the church building. Any new construction or renovation of reconciliation rooms is to provide for clear glass openings.”
So in other words, there’s no chance of actual confessionals ever being built… unless they’re made of glass.

"The implementation of the “Two Deep” rule is to be the common practice. "
Again this seems to imply that there needs to be another adult present for the child to go to confession. What if the child wants to go to Confession at the normal Parish time on Saturday afternoon and nobody else is present? Does he/she have to say to mom/dad “Come with me to Church, I want to go to confession!” I can recall, in my childhood, going to Confession and Mass by myself on a Saturday night. Now children are going to be told not to do that?

“The priest will set reasonable boundaries in his relationships with others. For example, counseling should generally not extend beyond three sessions, after which the priest should refer the individual to a qualified professional.”
This seems kind of silly… If a person is having a serious spiritual problem that a Priest is helping them work through, they are going to be limited to only meeting with him 3 times?

Anyone want to comment?
 
My only comment is that this is just going to destroy any desire for a child to foster a love for the sacrament, or even want to go in the first place.

I think it is horribly sad. 😦

~Liza
 
It’s very sad. What’s wrong with a traditional confession where priest and penitent are in two separate booths separated by a screen?

Likewise, the last part about the three sessions is ridiculous. They are turning priests into grace dispensing robots and rather than spiritual fathers. 😦
 
Luckily it is just a draft. Since they are seeking (name removed by moderator)ut, I would write to them expressing your concerns. Get as many people as possible to write too.
 
What’s wrong with a traditional confession where priest and penitent are in two separate booths separated by a screen?
Not many churches have them anymore! They’ve been converted to allow either face to face, or behind a screen.

I say, scrap all the goofy guidelines, and restore the old confessionals. Wouldn’t that solve the problem? —KCT
 
I do have a response for the quotes as given below: My disclaimer: I am an active, lay Catholic with no special theological training, so my opinions are just those.

My first and general reaction - Wow!

“The celebration of the sacrament of reconciliation with children is to be done in an open space that allows the penitent and the priest to be in full view of others.”
Doesn’t this seem to violate the possible desire of the child for his/her confession to be anonymous?

My response: Agreed witht the question. This strikes me as being a response to the child abuse scandal that has rocked the Church in the United States. It keeps the priest and the penitent from being in physical contact with each other. The confessional box, which sadly no longer exists in some parishes, accomplishes the same objective.

“The location of reconciliation rooms is to be in a high traffic area of the church building. Any new construction or renovation of reconciliation rooms is to provide for clear glass openings.”
So in other words, there’s no chance of actual confessionals ever being built… unless they’re made of glass.

My response: My understanding is that anonymous confession is to be made available to all comers. It seems to me that with clear glass, the priest could see the penitent clearly.

"The implementation of the “Two Deep” rule is to be the common practice. "
Again this seems to imply that there needs to be another adult present for the child to go to confession. What if the child wants to go to Confession at the normal Parish time on Saturday afternoon and nobody else is present? Does he/she have to say to mom/dad “Come with me to Church, I want to go to confession!” I can recall, in my childhood, going to Confession and Mass by myself on a Saturday night. Now children are going to be told not to do that?

My response: What is the “two deep” rule - I never heard of this. If it means what it implies, can the child’s parent overhear the child’s confession? That would be disasterous!

“The priest will set reasonable boundaries in his relationships with others. For example, counseling should generally not extend beyond three sessions, after which the priest should refer the individual to a qualified professional.”
This seems kind of silly… If a person is having a serious spiritual problem that a Priest is helping them work through, they are going to be limited to only meeting with him 3 times?

My response: I agree with the original respondent. I think there are some circumstances in which such a referral is appropriate even after one session, for example, thoughts of harming oneself. But there are others in which the professional may be qualified but might not understand (or may choose to ignore) Church teaching in certain areas. Each case is different.
 
At the byzantine parish I frequent they celebrate the sacrament of reconciliation at the front of the church in front of the iconostasis, in particular in front of an icon of Christ.

It is in the wide open and the priest just kinda stands around before mass looking at the sealing until someone walks up to have confession. It was really strange to see for me, a Latin rite catholic, but after a while it doesn’t seem so weird.

It’s strange that one of my first thoughts was… "this would pretty much guarantee that there wouldn’t be any possible allegations either true or false against a priest. The one thing however is that I do also kinda like the anonymity of the traditional confessional.

Anyway I was just chiming in to note that there has been precedent for open confessionals in the past and there still is in some traditions so it wouldn’t necessarily have to be viewed as a “hippy liberal” innovation.

OK… now I’m just rambling…
 
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