Privacy/secrecy of penitent and the seal of confession

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Can a priest require a penitent to reveal his sin to public authorities as part of his penance/restitution?

For instance, if a man came to confession and he had committed murder can the priest require the penitent to confess to authorities as part of his penance?

Or for instance with theft. If returning the goods would require the person to publicly reveal what he had done could the priest require him to do so? (I understand it is a totally different issue if full restitution could be done without the person getting “caught”)

I have heard wildly different answers to this question. Can anyone show me any official or semi-official text that addresses this question?

Thanks all…
 
Can a priest require a penitent to reveal his sin to public authorities as part of his penance/restitution?

For instance, if a man came to confession and he had committed murder can the priest require the penitent to confess to authorities as part of his penance?

Or for instance with theft. If returning the goods would require the person to publicly reveal what he had done could the priest require him to do so? (I understand it is a totally different issue if full restitution could be done without the person getting “caught”)

I have heard wildly different answers to this question. Can anyone show me any official or semi-official text that addresses this question?

Thanks all…
Always consider the credentials of those who give information.

The seal is considered inviolate. The canons are pretty straight forward here.

Canon 983: §1. The sacramental seal is inviolable; therefore, it is a crime for a confessor in any way to betray a penitent by word or in any other manner or for any reason. §2. An interpreter, if there is one present, is also obliged to preserve the secret, and also all others to whom knowledge of sins from confession shall come in any way.

Canon 984: §1. A confessor is prohibited completely from using knowledge acquired from confession to the detriment of the penitent even when any danger of revelation is excluded. §2. A person who has been placed in authority cannot use in any manner for external goverance the knowledge about sins which he has received in confession at any time.

Canon 1388: §1. A confessor who directly violates the sacramental seal incurs a latae sententiae excommunication reserved to the Apostolic See; one who does so only indirectly is to be punished according to the gravity of the delict. §2. An interpreter and the others mentioned in canon 983, §2 who violate the secret are to be punished with a just penalty, not excluding excommunication.
 
Always consider the credentials of those who give information.

The seal is considered inviolate. The canons are pretty straight forward here.

Canon 983: §1. The sacramental seal is inviolable; therefore, it is a crime for a confessor in any way to betray a penitent by word or in any other manner or for any reason. §2. An interpreter, if there is one present, is also obliged to preserve the secret, and also all others to whom knowledge of sins from confession shall come in any way.

Canon 984: §1. A confessor is prohibited completely from using knowledge acquired from confession to the detriment of the penitent even when any danger of revelation is excluded. §2. A person who has been placed in authority cannot use in any manner for external goverance the knowledge about sins which he has received in confession at any time.

Canon 1388: §1. A confessor who directly violates the sacramental seal incurs a latae sententiae excommunication reserved to the Apostolic See; one who does so only indirectly is to be punished according to the gravity of the delict. §2. An interpreter and the others mentioned in canon 983, §2 who violate the secret are to be punished with a just penalty, not excluding excommunication.
This doesn’t really answer my question. I know that a priest (or anyone who happens to overhear) is not allowed to reveal the content of someone’s confession. The question is that can the Priest ask a murderer to turn himself in as part of his penance/restitution? I have been told by a priest that this does not break the seal because he (the priest) is not revealing anything. He said he would never give a murderer absoultion until they agreed to turn themself in, because if the person would not do this then they were refusing restitution and they also clearly did not have contrition.

So… Can a priest do this or not?

Note: This is a theological question of curiosity. Don’t worry. I haven’t committed murder.:rolleyes:
 
A priest can refuse to grant absolution and say something like “Turn yourself in and when you are in the jail cell I will go you and grant you absolution”

To speculate further:
However, I doubt every priest would be so harsh and if a person went shopping around for priests, one of them probably would grant the absolution without that requirement. Of course perhaps there is something against reconfessing a sin to a different priest if you do not like the pennance. If this is the case, the person must then reearch before and find out which priest is going to be more likely to grant absolution. Yes, I know this is the wrong way to think about confession but to a lesser extent, there are so many sins where priest shopping for a more deisreable confession is easy nowadays. Whether I agree with this or not is another point.
 
In all honesty I don’t know whether the priest can require this of a penitent. On a practical level I don’t think a priest is going to give a penance that has an incredibly high chance of never being performed, even if he can. A lot of people, I am sure, may rather go without absolution than turn themselves in to police for murder.

So for that reason a priest is highly unlikely to say ‘you must turn yourself in or I will refuse to absolve you’. What he may do instead, is enquire whether or not the person has been in touch with police or is thinking of doing so.

Using this and other factors, such as what other restitution the person may have made or be thinking of making, the priest may possibly then say ‘I don’t think you’re sincerely sorry for what you’ve done’ - rather than specifically requiring them to turn themselves in.
 
Can. 980 If the confessor has no doubt about the disposition of the penitent, and the penitent seeks absolution, absolution is to be neither refused nor deferred.

Can. 981 The confessor is to impose salutary and suitable penances in accord with the quality and number of sins, taking into account the condition of the penitent. The penitent is obliged to fulfill these personally.
These Canons suggest that it is theoretically possible for the confessor to refuse or defer absolution if he truly doubts the sincerity of the penitent. If the priest feels that the only way for the penitent to prove his resolve is to turn himself in to the civil authorities, then I suppose that is what he could do. If so, the penitent is then obligated to perform the penance assigned.

This is an interesting scenario!

The priest cannot tell the authorities, but he can make you tell them. He also cannot inquire about an accomplice, but the police certainly would. Hmm.:hmmm: (Note to self: Thou shalt not kill)
 
This question arises after some friends and I watched the movie “I confess”. This is a great Alfred Hitchcock movie about a priest that is falsely accoused of a murder. The murderer actually went to confession to him the night of the murder so the priest is stuck knowing who the real killer is but having to face trial for the crime himself.

The murder killed when he was robbing a man and was caught. The pennance the priest gave him was to return the money. The murderer said “but I will be caught for the murder”. The priest said he had to do it anyway.

I was unsure if the priest could force a person into a situation in which the crime was revealed. It seemed to me like a tricky way to get around the seal of confession.

It is a great film but raised an interesting question for me about what penances a priest can assign.

Surely this is not so rare that the Church hasn’t addressed it directly?
 
Can a priest require a penitent to reveal his sin to public authorities as part of his penance/restitution?
In theory he could, but I can’t imagine it actually happening.

In one case that I happen to know of, the person was asked to make restitution to the victim, but not to reveal himself, or to involve the authorities.

The Church is not an arm of the government, or of the police.
 
In theory he could, but I can’t imagine it actually happening.

In one case that I happen to know of, the person was asked to make restitution to the victim, but not to reveal himself, or to involve the authorities.

The Church is not an arm of the government, or of the police.
Here is my short as always answer to something very simple and obvious if one uses COMMON SENSE and does not page through the CCC like a mindless ROBOT and even go so far as to QUESTION if something TOTALLY STUPID could happen in the HOLY CATHOLIC CHURCH…

NO WAY would a Priest EVER DO THIS.
YOU want to know if they can…???
Why?

I think you forget that PRIESTS go to confession too.

The Pope (God protect him!) does too.

NO MAN OF THE CLOTH would trivialize this SACRAMENT to do such a dispicable thing - and speculation on it is —

NOT GOOD.
IMHO:mad:

Lily M seems to make an assumption that some people can fall into this stupid category-- I ask do RAPIST PRIESTS that do confess…fit into your speculation?
If this premise of “turning oneself in” was TRUE
WE WOULD NOT HAVE PROBLEMS!
 
Here is my short as always answer to something very simple and obvious if one uses COMMON SENSE and does not page through the CCC like a mindless ROBOT and even go so far as to QUESTION if something TOTALLY STUPID could happen in the HOLY CATHOLIC CHURCH…

NO WAY would a Priest EVER DO THIS.
Ever do what? I’m having a hard time knowing who you are addressing. Did I say something wrong? :confused:
YOU want to know if they can…???
Why?
I’m not the one who asked the question.
I think you forget that PRIESTS go to confession too.
The Pope (God protect him!) does too.
NO MAN OF THE CLOTH would trivialize this SACRAMENT to do such a dispicable thing - and speculation on it is —
NOT GOOD.
IMHO:mad:
Um - okay. Did I say something to make you think I thought otherwise?
 
Can a priest require a penitent to reveal his sin to public authorities as part of his penance/restitution?
Not a priest can not require as part of the penance that the penitent turn himself in to the authorities.

I say this because of Canon 983, which says (again).

Canon 983: §1. The sacramental seal is inviolable; therefore, it is a crime for a confessor in any way to betray a penitent by word or in any other manner or for any reason. §2. An interpreter, if there is one present, is also obliged to preserve the secret, and also all others to whom knowledge of sins from confession shall come in any way.

Under §1 it says that the confessor may not betray a penitent by word or in any other manner or for any reason. So he can not require that the penitent turn himself in as that would be betraying the penitent in a other manner, even if it is for absolution as it goes on to say that the confessor may not betray the penitent for any reason.

Also absolution is given before the completion of any assigned penance.
 
Not a priest can not require as part of the penance that the penitent turn himself in to the authorities.

I say this because of Canon 983, which says (again).

Canon 983: §1. The sacramental seal is inviolable; therefore, it is a crime for a confessor in any way to betray a penitent by word or in any other manner or for any reason. §2. An interpreter, if there is one present, is also obliged to preserve the secret, and also all others to whom knowledge of sins from confession shall come in any way.

Under §1 it says that the confessor may not betray a penitent by word or in any other manner or for any reason. So he can not require that the penitent turn himself in as that would be betraying the penitent in a other manner, even if it is for absolution as it goes on to say that the confessor may not betray the penitent for any reason.

Also absolution is given before the completion of any assigned penance.
AMEN!!!
 
This question arises after some friends and I watched the movie “I confess”. . . . Surely this is not so rare that the Church hasn’t addressed it directly?
This doesn’t really answer my question.
Matthias,

It’s been a while since I visited this threat, but you are right. I suppose I should have been more direct and expanded the comment. The movie you referenced was recently discussed on the canon law board.

The law itself is considered clear enough to exclude this. It is established among most canonical authorities that there is such an absolute prohibition and such a weight to the seal of sacramental confession, that the canon is not understood to admit to exception. Canon 983 §1 (cited above) really means it when it says the sacramental seal is inviolable.

ByzCath commented on this quite correctly. There is an absolute prohibition against betrayal in “any other manner or for any reason” (alio quovis et quavis modo de causa aliquatenus ). The canon says it is “absolutely forbidden” (nefas est), i.e., criminal or abominable. As the rite of Penance (10d) says, “the confessor is bound by the obligation of preserving the seal of confession absolutely unbroken.”

As John Paul II said to the Apostolic Penitentiary (12 March 1994), Church law binds the confessor “in fact to total silence ‘usque ad sanguinis effusionem’” (even to the shedding of blood). Further, “This total confidentiality directly benefits the penitent. As a result, he incurs neither sin nor canonical penalty if he spontaneously and without harm to third parties reveals outside of confession what he has confessed.”

Yet, in the cases mentioned, the public revelation by the penitent could scarcely be viewed as spontaneous, but at the inducement of the confessor. It would present the “manner” of forcing the penitent to betray himself even for the “reason” of reporting a grave crime in the external forum. I, for one, do not know how to say that any more clearly.

I just do not see anything in the tradition of moral theology that foresees imposing self-incrimination as a condition of sacramental absolution. Unless there is doubt about the disposition of the penitent, absolution is not to be refused or deferred (c. 980). The presumption that a penitent is repentant would established by the fact that he or she has approached confession in the first place. There would have to be serious and positive reasons to overturn that presumption since as the Exegetical Commentary (MTF, 2004, at c. 980) notes, refusing absolution “is an extreme and odious manner.” In the case of doubt, the penitent would be invited to return after he had truly repented of the sin and absolution withheld.
I have been told by a priest that this does not break the seal because he (the priest) is not revealing anything.
I find this unpersuasive in the context of the gravity which both law and tradition attach to the seal of confession.

Certainly, the confessor may licitly invite, encourage, and urge within the internal forum, but here he places coercive action by means of spiritual jurisdiction which attempts intentionally to force disclosure by the penitent in the external forum. There could not be any other intention.

In the cases you present, the priest’s knowledge of the crime is acquired from confession and civil confession would be to the detriment of the penitent who would then face civil penalties (c. 984 §1 cited above). A confessor is prohibited completely from using such knowledge to the detriment of the penitent (ibid.). He would use such knowledge in the act of imposing such a condition for absolution in a case of doubt. Again, it would be his clear intention to bring a matter of the internal forum to the external forum. This is not the role of the confessor.

Parenthetically, one of the comments against the practice of penitents “writing down sins” for the communal celebration of confession was that of risk compromising the inviolable seal of sacramental confession (CDWDS, Circular Letter concerning the integrity of the Sacrament of Penance, 20 March 2000, Prot. N. 700/00/L). Presumably the confessor would have invited the penitents to do that.

Two final notes. First, the failure to perform penance after absolution (c. 981) is not considered to invalidate the absolution, although it is a serious obligation. Second, a willingness to undergo temporal punishment may or may not be attached to true contrition. One may rightly fear objective evils arising from temporal consequences even though being sincerely contrite and thus seek to avoid them. This is a reason why restitution may be occult.
 
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