Private Interpretation Of Scripture

[bullfrog654]

one day heaven forbid negative words might be taken out of the bible. less we forget that satan keeps the bible alive. so i wrote this

this book needs a respectable title to believe in spirtuality bullfrog gives leaniounsy until it is allowed to be copywritten controled with spirituality admiration as it is being produced on the internet for a dollar or in reality or until this claimed book is desired by satan.

evolutions demand of a balance society progress allows mother nature to protect written word having balance and craved information by the law of adicuate respectful over flowing distant factor. others allow the food chain demanded to be book to book pure balance respect information towards a grain of sand equaling one hundred worlds.

from the bottom of basements to church

any satanic idols, forms of manipulated magic, ceramonies, holidays books should and formost be measured and weighed in such a way that respect is wanted with such control to be filled with deprivission of negativity so not depriving spirtuality, reality, internet, or tumors.

dont be shy tell me what words you put in your books

i never liked the last passage of the bible so add this to my books but seldom for know.

 

[PeliganPelican]

Thanks once gain for your replies: Can I ask a further question, If the Apostles of the Early church i.e. Paul make a clear statement of rule “this is what you shall do etc ect” can the Church later change that or does the present Church have to abide by what Paul or the other Apostles have prescribed in scripture and maintain and uphold that doctine, principle or matter of advice.

many Thanks

 

[NHInsider]

Thanks once gain for your replies: Can I ask a further question, If the Apostles of the Early church i.e. Paul make a clear statement of rule “this is what you shall do etc ect” can the Church later change that or does the present Church have to abide by what Paul or the other Apostles have prescribed in scripture and maintain and uphold that doctine, principle or matter of advice.

many Thanks

Case in point - women covering their heads in the assembly. While this is still observed in some places it is no longer universal. (And I know there are some in the Traditional Catholic branch who believe it should be . . .) It was important because of the social construct of the time in which it was written. It’s not a matter of faith and morals, it’s a matter of discipline and therefore subject to change.

Another - priestly celibacy. The Apostles did not observe or mandate priestly celibacy, although Paul recommended it. The church (Latin rite) imposed priestly celibacy in the 900s because of the practical implications. There are lots of good reasons to maintain the rule, but it could be changed.

The Church has the responsibility and the authority to say, under the guidance of the Holy Spirit which Jesus promised, how the faith is to be practiced in an ever-changing world. It does not have the authority (or the ability) to change the essentials of the faith. Does this make sense?

 

[Nita]

Thanks once gain for your replies: Can I ask a further question, If the Apostles of the Early church i.e. Paul make a clear statement of rule “this is what you shall do etc ect” can the Church later change that or does the present Church have to abide by what Paul or the other Apostles have prescribed in scripture and maintain and uphold that doctine, principle or matter of advice.

many Thanks

Doctrine does not change.
Sometimes Paul’s (doctrinal) statements may even seem to conflict with each other - or with other NT writers. Since Scripture does not err, it becomes very important to understand those passages properly - in a way where they do not conflict.
(An example would be Paul’s statements concerning justification by faith apart from works and his statements that our (Christians) actions do affect our salvation. Or with Jesus teaching regarding the final judgement in Mt. 25:31-46. When these passages are properly understood, there is no conflict.)

If you are interested in getting deeper into the doctrines of the Church, a very good book is “Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma” by Ludwig Ott. It gives the Catholic doctrines in bold print (a single sentence). Then, following each bold sentence, in smaller unbolded print is the background the dogma. This history includes when the doctrine was officially defined; Scripture passages involved; writings from early Church Fathers and other Church leaders; controversies or opposing views surrounding the doctrine (both within and outside the CC) Just very, very good.

Reading such a book helps one see the difference in content between doctrines and regulations.

 

[PeliganPelican]

Thank you very much for all the responses to my questions, I do appreciate the time and effort. Most of the literature, teaching I’ve listened too or read is generally anti Catholic and so it was very interesting listening to the Steve Gregg v Staples debate.

My main area of interest from the dabate was the comments by Staples on the Authority of the Church and interpretation of Scripture.

This led me to look at the web site and ultimately partaking in this forum in order too gain further insight.

The issue that confuses me a little is the matter of Holy Days, and the Don’t eat rules etc. If your a member of the Catholic church must you submit yourself to these rules and would it affect your salavation if you felt that you shouldn’t submit for a reason that related to your desire to honour the Lord in a differing manner or for some other reason.

Thanks again

 

[NHInsider]

The issue that confuses me a little is the matter of Holy Days, and the Don’t eat rules etc. If your a member of the Catholic church must you submit yourself to these rules and would it affect your salavation if you felt that you shouldn’t submit for a reason that related to your desire to honour the Lord in a differing manner or for some other reason.

Thanks again

I’m having trouble coming up with a valid reason for excusing yourself from the obligations of attending Mass on a Holy Day (at MOST 10 times/year, generally fewer), fasting twice a year and abstaining from meat another 5 times a year that wouldn’t be just a decision to disobey.

There are already waivers from fasting obligations for medical reasons and from Mass attendance when a person can’t get to Mass.

So I do think this would be problematic.

I’m also really, really curious since this is obviously a thorny issue for you. Care to share any more?

 

[PeliganPelican]

I struggle with the issue of rules and regulations that would be more than just good advice but become sinful when Paul says the following in colossians 2

16Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ. 18Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you for the prize. Such a person goes into great detail about what he has seen, and his unspiritual mind puffs him up with idle notions. 19He has lost connection with the Head, from whom the whole body, supported and held together by its ligaments and sinews, grows as God causes it to grow.

20Since you died with Christ to the basic principles of this world, why, as though you still belonged to it, do you submit to its rules: 21"Do not handle! Do not taste! Do not touch!"? 22These are all destined to perish with use, because they are based on human commands and teachings. 23Such regulations indeed have an appearance of wisdom, with their self-imposed worship, their false humility and their harsh treatment of the body, but they lack any value in restraining sensual indulgence.

If the Apostles teaching has been updated or changed then I understand but Tim Staples seemed to imply that the Apostles teaching remained.

Thanks

 

[MarcoPolo]

Tim Staples isn’t one I would trust either. He is the worst apologist ever. Jimmy Akin is also one I wouldn’t listen to either. Terrible apologist.

Off topic I know, but who is a good apologist?

 

[Nita]

I struggle with the issue of rules and regulations that would be more than just good advice but become sinful when Paul says the following in colossians 2

16Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ. 18Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you for the prize. Such a person goes into great detail about what he has seen, and his unspiritual mind puffs him up with idle notions. 19He has lost connection with the Head, from whom the whole body, supported and held together by its ligaments and sinews, grows as God causes it to grow.

20Since you died with Christ to the basic principles of this world, why, as though you still belonged to it, do you submit to its rules: 21"Do not handle! Do not taste! Do not touch!"? 22These are all destined to perish with use, because they are based on human commands and teachings. 23Such regulations indeed have an appearance of wisdom, with their self-imposed worship, their false humility and their harsh treatment of the body, but they lack any value in restraining sensual indulgence.

If the Apostles teaching has been updated or changed then I understand but Tim Staples seemed to imply that the Apostles teaching remained.

Thanks

Paul is not speaking here of any Christian practice of fasting. The passage very probably refers to the problem the early Church had in breaking away from Judaism. Some of the early Jewish Christians (“circumcision party” cf Acts 11:12) held that Jewish practices had to be followed. (cf Acts 15:1; Gal 2:12-16)
Haydock commentary on the Colossians
Ver. 16. Let no man, therefore, judge you in meat or in drink. That is, for not abstaining from meats, called unclean, for drinking out of a cup without a cover, (see Numbers xix.) or for not keeping the Jewish festivals. For these were but shadows, types and figures of future things to be fulfilled in the new law of Christ: but the body is of Christ, (ver. 17.) i.e. was the body, the truth, the substance signified by these shadows and types. (Witham) — He means with regard to the Jewish observations of the distinction of clean and unclean meats; and of their festivals, new moons, and sabbaths; as being no longer obligatory. (Challoner) — Modern dogmatizers wilfully or ignorantly misapply this text of the apostle, to disprove the fasts and festivals observed in the Catholic Church; but it is evident, as St. Augustine observes, that the apostle is here condemning the legal distinction of clean and unclean meats, and the feasts of the new moon, to which false brethren wanted to subject the Colossians. (St. Augustine, ep. 59. ad Paulin. in solut. quæs. 7.)

You are aware aren’t you that Jesus foretold there would be fasting in the NT Church.
Mt. 9:15b …The days will come, when the bridegroom is taken away from them, and then they will fast."

Acts 13:2-3 and Acts 14:23 show that fasting was a Christian practice almost immediately.

 

[PeliganPelican]

Colossians 2:20Since you died with Christ to the basic principles of this world, why, as though you still belonged to it, do you submit to its rules: 21"Do not handle! Do not taste! Do not touch!"? 22These are all destined to perish with use, because they are based on human commands and teachings. 23Such regulations indeed have an appearance of wisdom, with their self-imposed worship, their false humility and their harsh treatment of the body, but they lack any value in restraining sensual indulgence.

The reference refers to the “basic principles of the world” which give greater expansion than simply the traditions and laws of Judaism although I agree these were also referred to in this passage. In the context both textual and Histocultra these principles were practiced in most if not all of the religions of the region.

Yes I agree with fasting and also watching as spiritual disciplines