Pro-abortion Argentina president receives Holy Communion with mistress from Argentinian Bishop at Vatican

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If he was pro abortion, or with his mistress, he should NOT have been given Holy Communion.
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Granted he should not have received but most clergy aren’t comfortable taking the step of refusing to give in the course of the Communion Rite, since it involves no dialogue between Priest and communicant.
 
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Vatican News says the Pope discussed abortion with the politician.
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And this was at the end of the Vatican news link.

“ On his part, in a press conference with journalists, President Fernández said that some issues, such as that of the defence of life, had not been dealt with in the conversation with the Pope but in the subsequent one with the superiors of the Secretariat of State.”

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Right is right. There are too many priests that won’t do what is right.
 
Absolution should NOT be granted under certain circumstances. I was properly not granted absolution for living in sin with my fiancee until we stopped having sex. What is the problem? Any priest that gives absolution or Holy Communion unworthily…
 
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Absolution should NOT be granted under certain circumstances. I was properly not granted absolution for living in sin with my fiancee until we stopped having sex. What is the problem? Any priest that gives absolution or Holy Communion unworthily…
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I thought we were talking about Holy Communion? Confession involves a clear dialogue between Priest and penitent. That doesn’t happen at the time of Communion.
 
As a president of state, if he is known as pro-abortion and living with a mistress?
 
thrasher59 said:
As a president of state, if he is known as pro-abortion and living with a mistress?
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In 2001 at the close of Jubilee year, Rome’s mayor, Francesco Rutelli who was pro abortion, came up and received from Pope John Paul II. In that moment during the Communion Rite, the Priest must rely on personal discernment. There is no black and white on that point.
 
You are right in that everyone knows their martial status and they shouldn’t ( and haven’t publicly so far…) received Communion.
And no, it isn’t fostered nor common practice( I am not looking under every rug though…)
Having said that,it is pathetic that somebody during Mass is filming deliberately and also that Lifesite comments in the son who hasn’t done anything nor asked for the spotlight.
The Vatican issued a briefing of the topics dealt with which Pope Francis and Secretary of State Pietro Parolin had divided to deal with President Fernandez
It made headlines front page and bold that the Vatican made clear its stance on life from conception to natural death during this visit as a Head of State.
That is what I know but I am not on top on this visit now. It is over.We are doomed in so many ways at present in my country …that keeping up with local news is depressing…a mess…
 
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Irishmom…it is patently clear. President Fernandez knows by heart what the stance and the Pope and the Church says…He s been around long enough.
It was a sort of a ping pong “ We didn’t speak about it,” said Fernandez after the briefing, as if Parolin was what ? A fly?..oh well…It was Parolin just in case he hadn’t heard it enough from Arch Bergoglio then and the Pope later :roll_eyes:

The President will do as he wishes anyway.Comes in one ear leaves through the other one
 
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I am not sure if you can search Catholic Answers to back before the Great Forum Schism (i.e. the format change). If you can, you can find threads about every Pope since the inception of this Forum doing the same.
 
I am from Argentina so I’m a bit more familiar with the situation. I agree Fernandez shouldn’t receive Holy Communion. He even misinterpreted Saint Augustine and Saint Thomas in defending it (he is a lawyer). However, I wouldn’t blame Pope Francis for this.

Apparently, the Pope didn’t speak to Fernandez about abortion because the Ministry of Exterior Relations here asked it. That’s why Cardinal Parolin is the one who brought it.

I lament that Pope Francis isn’t more in opposition with Fernandez, but I understand him. The Church in Argentina has a bittersweet relationship with the current government.

One one hand, Fernandez is trying to play nice by reuniting with priests and talking about how the Church helps fight poverty in the middle of the Crisis. On the other, he defends abortion everywhere he can when there is no clergy present. He is insidious.
 
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Dude- As I said before- Biden wasn’t allowed Holy Communion, and neither was I- If a person isn’t in a state of grace, they should NOT be allowed Holy Communion.
 
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I am not sure if you can search Catholic Answers to back before the Great Forum Schism (i.e. the format change). If you can, you can find threads about every Pope since the inception of this Forum doing the same.
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Oh yeah! I just googled Pope John Paul II proselytising… and a CAF thread was the top of the options!
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Wasn't Pope John Paul II Wrong to Reject Proselytism? Apologetics
Solid, informed Catholics should realize that even Popes can occasionally make statements that they ought not to make–statements that contradict the Faith and cause scandal. The dogma of papal infallibility does *not *mean that God has prevented all utterances of this kind during the Church’s history. It is only when the Vicar of Christ teaches ex cathedra that his statements are protected from error by the charism of infallibility. Against this background, I respectfully pose the following qu…
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I’ll admit I’m confused. However, if he is a politician, I do not really trust his veracity about what was discussed…

I can also remember when Bill Clinton, who supported abortion and committed adultery rather publicly, met with a Pope and also at some point received Holy Communion (not from the Pope) despite not even being Catholic. I think we simply have to pray a lot for these people.
 
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Well there are some things worth being angry about lol
 
I thought the word ‘concubine’ went out with the dark ages. There you go, it legitimizes a mistress.

I will not comment on the Pope and his meeting with these two as I am sure we will never be privy to the discussions of the meeting and it is not our business.

As far as Holy Communion goes, perhaps they confessed? Perhaps they had a change of life whilst at the Vatican.
 
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I will not comment on the Pope and his meeting with these two as I am sure we will never be privy to the discussions of the meeting and it is not our business.

As far as Holy Communion goes, perhaps they confessed? Perhaps they had a change of life whilst at the Vatican.
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Perhaps it is simply a lack of belief in the Real Presence by one or more of the parties at this Mass?
"The doctrine of the Real Presence asserts that in the Holy Eucharist Jesus is literally and wholly present—body and blood, soul and divinity—under the appearances of bread and wine. Many Protestants attack this doctrine as “unbiblical,” but the Bible is forthright in declaring it (cf. 1 Cor. 10:16–17, 11:23–29; and, most forcefully, John 6:32–71).

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Who are you saying lacks belief that Being Itself, that is God, is the Eucharist? Surely not the Pope?
 
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