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My first response would be that I cannot support something that is morally repugnant, regardless of the results: the end does not justify the means, and the answer is not to take the path of least resistance. However I can see that this wouldn’t fly very well with a secular pro-choice person
 
Oh my goodness. If she thinks that the “real solution” is birth control, I would recommend this book. The widespread acceptance of birth control is what made abortion necessary. Because contraception enabled fornication, abortion became an absolute necessity as a contraceptive backup.

Nobody wants to hear this, because they don’t want to have to change their sexual practices. Ultimately, being for unlimited premarital contraceptive sex but against abortion ends up being a personal contradiction.
 
Hi CompSciGuy,

Some suggestions as a response:

(i) Claim: increasing contraception use and not banning abortions was the key to decreasing the number of abortions.

Response: you can attack the obvious fact that making abortion illegal, stopping funding to abortion clinics and punishing those doctors who participate in abortions, will dramatically reduce abortion rates far more than contraception use will, and of course, that increased contraception use in the USA over the past half-decade has most certainly not decreased the abortion rate. In fact, the statistics he quotes are problematic. How can you compare abortion rates in Africa and Latin America, where in some places, women are genuinely suffering, have high levels of malnutrition, etc. and it seems (at least to them) have no choice, with Europe, where in practically 95% of cases people abort for the sake of “social lifestyle”? Furthermore, this doesn’t prove anything. After all, what would abortion rates be like in Africa and Latin America if it was legalised? We don’t know - it could be dramatically higher! (And then, he quotes South Africa - a relatively rich country in that continent - to prove a point! Sorry, you’ve got to be more specific when using statistics, or they can be very misleading.)

Alternatively, and this is the way I’d go, you attack the morality behind this argue: you cannot commit or allow a serious evil so that good may come. Consider an alternative: we want to reduce the use of illicit drugs in our community. Now, we could make taking such drugs illegal or, as we’ve found out to be more effective, we can let kids take drugs, kill each other, publicise their deaths so as shock everyone even more to the point where they radically stop taking drugs. The latter approach is immoral because they are willing to let people die to achieve an outcome - it’s essentially utilitarian ethics. And this is more akin to what your friend is arguing. He (or she) is not arguing to try to make abortion illegal while handing out contraceptives; rather, to leave the issue of legalisation alone, which is essentially condoning the practice.

(ii) Claim: the position of protecting life from conception is false.

Trotting out the usual claim of the unborn not being a person, remarkably, because it is growing inside of another person’s body.

Ahhh, now this is the rub of the argument. Frankly, I think your friend is using the above argument as an excuse to ease his (or her) conscience. If human beings should not be protected from conception, or at certain stages in the womb, because they are not human, etc. there is no moral reason to stop abortion at these stages at all.

Response: so, the claim is that if something is growing inside another person’s body, it cannot be a person, or at least shouldn’t be protected? What argument does he (or she) give for this? None. Frankly, it doesn’t logically follow that because something is growing inside another person it is devoid of personhood or the right to protection. Essentially, he thinks it wouldn’t be wrong for King Herod, knowing that the unborn Jesus was in Mary’s womb, to give her a big shove of the donkey to cause a miscarriage. What affords a person protection isn’t their geographical position or dependency but simply the fact they are human. Okay, he (or she) says “birth [is] the key dividing line” - without arguing why. Well, my response would be, why birth? Why not at the age of reason, or whenever you please? Why does being inside a womb make someone not worthy of life or protection, but being outside a womb does? You need to know his (or her) answer to this before you can respond properly.

(iii) Claim: the only world in which opposing birth control made any sense was one in which the goal was to control women’s sex lives.

Response: Wow! Great response for someone devote to the Word of God to make! (Obvious sarcasm.) Firstly, if what he says is true, opposing birth control also controls men’s sex lives. Secondly, the way he describes pregnancy as a “consequence” to having sex, like some vile punishment, is highly deceptive. It’s a natural result of having sex. Notice that your friend doesn’t actually give any good arguments for this, especially from a Christian standpoint. He just asserts it emotively.

To end, I think your friends post is mostly bluster and false-argument to cover the fact of his (or her) change of mind. I mean, it’s one thing to say: “Oh, I may have been wrong about contraception all these years” or “Perhaps we shouldn’t criminalise abortion”, and another to make wide-sweeping concessions: we should allow the abortion pill because a mother’s body will naturally kill some unborn babies anyway, Obama is a great hero for life, and well, it’s too expensive for parents to afford kids anyway. Gee, why didn’t he make the last point about Africa? He hasn’t just changed his position on abortion, but had a whole metanoia it seems. As the Anti-Christ says: “Don’t repent or believe, the Kingdom of Earth is at hand!”
 
Oh, and those articles linked by Abyssinia are fantastic - definitely give them a look!
 
A friend of mine posted this on his facebook today:

patheos.com/blogs/lovejoyfeminism/2012/10/how-i-lost-faith-in-the-pro-life-movement.html

I don’t know what to say. What are some thoughts you all have?
In detailing her transformation on this issue, the author exhibits one of the best of all possible traits: the ability to reason and think for oneself. That was a very good testimonial, and it highlighted many things that a great many people know instinctively about this issue.
 
This does touch upon some of the difficulty inherent in making secular arguments against abortion - they often aren’t tooled to be redoubled against contraception, which is a much more difficult issue to argue to a secular audience.

Interesting that some argue that abortion is a solution to the problem of poverty and starving children, as though killing a poor person is a good way to eradicate poverty. This argument just shifts it back a step: preventing the person who would be killed from existing is a good way to eradicate murder!
 
In detailing her transformation on this issue, the author exhibits one of the best of all possible traits: the ability to reason and think for oneself. That was a very good testimonial, and it highlighted many things that a great many people know instinctively about this issue.
I don’t think so, to be honest. You should read some of the rebuttals in the links by Abyssinia, especially where much of the research cited in the piece comes from an organisation that was an arm of Planned Parenthood (ummm, no bias here folks).

Furthermore, I’m disappointed that the writer of this piece really has a transformation, not just a change of mind on one issue, which to me suggests that there is more to this person than meets the eye, particularly since she is very quiet on defending some of her arguments (e.g. why birth draws the line between someone that should be defended and someone that shouldn’t).
 
If you read her background she has an understandable aversion to most things that come from ‘conservative’ Christians, as she was raised in a fundamentalist Protestant family. She seems to associate pro-life with the kind of misogynistic milleu she was raised in and rejected. Which is wrong, but she seems to have understandable baggage.
 
I really don’t get too excited over so-called research and studies done by either Guttmacher or the WHO, as both have their own agendas.

The opinion of the author is not surprising and is the predicted course that one’s conscience might take when even a single aspect of the Divine law is rejected. All truths are interlinked and the nature of heresy dictates that once one truth is dismissed, it justifies compromise with others.

Every life is sacred from the moment of conception to the moment of natural death and it takes a certain arrogance, imho, to oppose the Creator on this one! Or to prevent His divine plan for mankind whom He loves without measure.
 
A friend of mine posted this on his facebook today:

patheos.com/blogs/lovejoyfeminism/2012/10/how-i-lost-faith-in-the-pro-life-movement.html

I don’t know what to say. What are some thoughts you all have?
I think she makes some good points, for the following reasons:

–if one’s goal is to prevent abortion – a question of life or death – it is a questionable strategy to recommend abstinence as the ideal, as Plan A, without acknowledging contraception as a Plan B. What happens, in reality, is that Plan B is often having an abortion (not saying that contraception is 100% percent effective, but abortion is then at least relegated to a “Plan C”, at one further remove as a method of birth control).

I understand questions of conscience, whereby one cannot say, by way of analogy, “don’t use drugs but, if you do, use clean needles.” Nonetheless, as this is viewed as nothing less than a matter of life and death, I think one needs to be pragmatic and to ask, “I know I would prefer abstinence or childbirth as the two ideal, moral scenarios. Barring that, which do I prefer – contraception and a greater likelihood of the prevention of pregnancy, or failure to prevent pregnancy and abortion?”

-----I think that fiscal conservatism, as the author points out, is actually undermining the pro-life goal, which is to minimize the number of abortions. If a woman cannot afford to raise a child – or perceives that she cannot afford to raise a child – she is more likely to abort it. The argument that “many pro-lifers seem much interested in the well-being of the unborn, than they are in the well-being of other peoples’ children, once they are born,” is often accurate. To say, “well, it’s the parents responsibility to take care of their own children, not mine” is at loggerheads with the pro-life perspective regarding the unborn, which is, “it’s not my child, but I care about this child as a member of the human family.”

—it’s difficult to deny that, in the minds of many, pro-life is not only about respect for the life of the unborn, but also preoccupation with sexual morality. Abortion, to put it bluntly, is often associated in their minds with “sinful sex; sex that should not have occurred.” If this is not the case, then the outspokeness of someone like Rush Limbaugh – an ardent pro-lifer – needs to be taken to task, because he is damaging the reputation of the movement. I’m referring to Limbaugh’s reference to women who fight for contraceptive coverage as, semantically speaking, “prostitutes”, because “a woman who wants to receive money in order to have sex is a prostitute”; he also stated “this woman who testified before Congress is having so much sex, she cannot afford contraception!”

—she makes a good point that pro-life activists should logically be very concerned about the rate of “natural” miscarriages, which I believe is upwards of 20% of all pregnancies (whether the woman is aware of them, or not). That is a higher percentage of terminated pregnancies, I believe, than those that end in abortion (numerically, more of the unborn have miscarried than have been aborted). My sense is that they are more fatalistic regarding “spontaneous abortion”, chalking it up to the will of God; yet no one would chalk up infant mortality, or child mortality, to the will of God. They would feel the need to do something about it. I suppose that better pre-natal care for poorer women would be a solution, but I’m not sure if a fiscal conservative would support more funding in this quarter.

I think, generally, the Catholic church tends to be more sincere in its pro-life stance than I find many Evangelical Protestants to be, especially as regards caring about the well-being of a child on both sides of the womb, both within it and outside of it; as well as caring about the well-being of the mother. Someone like Limbaugh seems to have withering contempt for any “irresponsible” mother who would presume to have the taxpayer bear the burden of her children.

dlcc.org/news/indiana-republicans-propose-slashing-prenatal-care

nytimes.com/2011/02/26/opinion/26blow.html?_r=0
 
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