The problem with using such loaded terms is it derails the thread into a semantics discussion on what constitutes a heretic. It is for this reason , for instance, that I never refer abortion as murder as it is my experience that abortion apologist will seize upon any chance to change the subject, They would much rather discuss whether abortion is not murder from a legal standpoint than try to defend the action itself.Ah but you miss my point. While I don’t understand why the Church has not acted more forcefully doesn’t in any way diminish the Fr. Drinan’s views or the fact they conflict with Catholic doctrine. Since he persistantly has supported abortion he meets the definition of a heretic and in my opinion he is one.
God Bless,
Iowa Mike
The qualifier (opinion) helps enormously.Ah but you miss my point. While I don’t understand why the Church has not acted more forcefully doesn’t in any way diminish the Fr. Drinan’s views or the fact they conflict with Catholic doctrine. Since he persistantly has supported abortion he meets the definition of a heretic and **in my opinion **he is one.
God Bless,
Iowa Mike
YES!The problem with using such loaded terms is it derails the thread into a semantics discussion on what constitutes a heretic. It is for this reason , for instance, that I never refer abortion as murder as it is my experience that abortion apologist will seize upon any chance to change the subject, They would much rather discuss whether abortion is not murder from a legal standpoint than try to defend the action itself.
That’s precisely the way it was used in the States of the Soviet Union.I’ve heard the phrase “safe, legal, and rare,” applied to abortion ever since Bill Clinton coined it.
Legal?–well, we’ve got that.
Safe?–Abortion facilities have been shown time and again to be some of the most dangerous, dirty, and unsafe medical facilities ever, and regulators won’t touch them.
Rare?–A million abortions per year. Of course if abortion were restricted to the widely cited “exceptions” of rape, incest, and necessary to save a mother’s life, the number of abortions would immediately drop by 98%. Are abortion advocates asking for those restrictions? No. Because abortion is really wanted as backup birth control.
Of course the pro-abortion forces want clinical language…choice, woman’s right to choose, it’s a matter of choice…etc. They also do everything they can to stop pictures, videos etc. that depict the horror of abortion because their clinical language is exposed for what it is.YES!
Quite clinical:Of course the pro-abortion forces want clinical language…choice, woman’s right to choose, it’s a matter of choice…etc. They also do everything they can to stop pictures, videos etc. that depict the horror of abortion because their clinical language is exposed for what it is.
Pro-life people need to be more forceful, not politically correct. That is not to say that we shouldn’t assist someone struggling with abortion…but not by pandering to them. Besides, for a Catholic what is there to debate…you can’t debate truth and the truth is abortion is a non-negotiable intrinsic evil.
God Bless,
Iowa Mike
What’s sad is that I felt forced to vote for a man who I believe would have utterly destroyed our economy, thus our country, because the apparent message on CAF is: Vote REPUBLICAN or you are going to burn in hell for all eternity.Sorry, but no one on CAF can exonerate you. When I want to get something off my chest, I most normally go to confession. I voted in the last election and chose NEITHER Obama or McCain.
Speaking just for myself, of course, I’ve found that I must direct my political ideology into the larger parameter of the truth of my faith.
Well, I used my freedom of CHOICE on that day – I didn’t vote. Because, to me, I had NO CHOICE. I guess that is what happens when you are backed into a corner. And, I am sure almost all women who have had abortions - maybe 70% at least - have had that feeling of being backed into a corner. And, therefore, used the freedom of CHOICE button. To tell you the truth, I don’t think many of the women who choose abortion (not the ones who are coerced - and I am sure there are plenty of them) are not really devout Catholics. I am not looking for an argument here – just stating my opinion.What’s sad is that I felt forced to vote for a man who I believe would have utterly destroyed our economy, thus our country, because the apparent message on CAF is: Vote REPUBLICAN or you are going to burn in hell for all eternity.
The falsehood here is that Father Drinan was pro-abortion which he was not. He declared himself to be morally opposed to abortion.-"Pro-abortion Congressman/priest Drinan was morally opposed to abortion.
This of course is another falsehood. Father Drinan was morally opposed to abortion and that of course includes partial birth abortion.A priest…a Catholic priest speaking out in favor of partial birth abortion is by itself scandelous and heretical.
It is sadWhat’s sad is that I felt forced to vote for a man who I believe would have utterly destroyed our economy, thus our country, because the apparent message on CAF is: Vote REPUBLICAN or you are going to burn in hell for all eternity.
I understand the weariness of voting for the lesser of 2 evils so to speak. I’ve done it myself during much of my voting history. And I don’t know and really don’t care to know or argue with you about how much importance you give the abortion issue on the spectrum of issues. But if you place abortion on the pedestal many Catholics here do, by not choosing McCain as the lesser of 2 evils in your mind, didn’t you help elect Obama?Well, I used my freedom of CHOICE on that day – I didn’t vote. Because, to me, I had NO CHOICE. I guess that is what happens when you are backed into a corner. And, I am sure almost all women who have had abortions - maybe 70% at least - have had that feeling of being backed into a corner. And, therefore, used the freedom of CHOICE button. To tell you the truth, I don’t think many of the women who choose abortion (not the ones who are coerced - and I am sure there are plenty of them) are not really devout Catholics. I am not looking for an argument here – just stating my opinion.
Abortion isn’t on a pedestal, it is in the cespool of serious evil.I understand the weariness of voting for the lesser of 2 evils so to speak. I’ve done it myself during much of my voting history. And I don’t know and really don’t care to know or argue with you about how much importance you give the abortion issue on the spectrum of issues. But if you place abortion on the pedestal many Catholics here do, by not choosing McCain as the lesser of 2 evils in your mind, didn’t you help elect Obama?
We are one in our views…Quite clinical:
“dismemberment”
“burning of flesh and interior organs”
“post-birth killing of late-term babies”
My kind of clinical talk …
Yes I should have worded that differently. What I of course meant was for many Catholics the abortion ISSUE takes front and center in their politics.Abortion isn’t on a pedestal, it is in the cespool of serious evil.
Yes, david, and thank you.Abortion isn’t on a pedestal, it is in the cespool of serious evil.
No. I felt they were both equally evil. This is the reason I did not vote.I understand the weariness of voting for the lesser of 2 evils so to speak. I’ve done it myself during much of my voting history. And I don’t know and really don’t care to know or argue with you about how much importance you give the abortion issue on the spectrum of issues. But if you place abortion on the pedestal many Catholics here do, by not choosing McCain as the lesser of 2 evils in your mind, didn’t you help elect Obama?
Homily for the funeral of Robert Drinan, S.J. By John Langan, S.J. St. Aloysius Church, Washington DC February 1, 2007The falsehood here is that Father Drinan was pro-abortion which he was not. He declared himself to be morally opposed to abortion.
He lived to be 86 years old. Just think how much damage a priest can do in all those years. He was in Congress, he had the optimal opportunity to teach. And he didn’t do it.Homily for the funeral of Robert Drinan, S.J. By John Langan, S.J. St. Aloysius Church, Washington DC February 1, 2007
“For the most part, his advocacy of human rights harmonized with the social and moral teaching of the Catholic Church. But it must be acknowledged that on the immensely painful subject of abortion there was sharp conflict, a conflict which I wish neither to minimize nor to revisit but only to put into a larger context of common concern for the well being of women and children in a society wracked by moral disagreement.”
law.georgetown.edu/news/documents/LanganHomily.pdf