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Are you saying that a difference between theory and practice means we ought to change the theory? That doing injustice means we should do injustice?

You are some piece of work, mr. humphrey. I don’t know what you are talking about. You say that all human life is equal…I agree…and point out that our legal system is seriously flawed. What is there to argue with if we agree? We should work to fix what is wrong. Is that so hard to deduce??? :rolleyes:

PEACE be with YOU…to YOU, around you.😉
 
Are you saying that a difference between theory and practice means we ought to change the theory? That doing injustice means we should do injustice?

You are some piece of work, mr. humphrey. I don’t know what you are talking about.
I’m not sure you know what you’re talking about, either.

Other than attacking me, what is your point?
You say that all human life is equal…I agree…and point out that our legal system is seriously flawed. What is there to argue with if we agree? We should work to fix what is wrong. Is that so hard to deduce??? :rolleyes:
Is that your point? That we should workto fix what is wrong?

Why didn’t you say that in the first place?

Why don’t you start a thread on how to fix the system?
PEACE be with YOU…to YOU, around you.😉
If you’ll stop this attack, we’ll have peace.
 
And you base that on the previous administration’s ability to prevent the attack on the USS Cole, the bombing of the World Trade Center, the simultaneous attacks on the US embassies in Africa and so on?😃
No. I base that on the human brain’s ability to learn from those failures after Clinton left office. And also the ability of Congress to focus on things not relating to Monica’s blue dress.
 
No. I base that on the human brain’s ability to learn from those failures after Clinton left office. And also the ability of Congress to focus on things not relating to Monica’s blue dress.
I agree – had I been elected President, I would have asked, “Is this how Clinton did it?” And then selected a much different course of action.
 
No. I base that on the human brain’s ability to learn from those failures after Clinton left office. And also the ability of Congress to focus on things not relating to Monica’s blue dress.
Clinton had 8 years to prepare. Bush had 9 months.

The double standard is showing in this country. One party gets a slap on the back for immorality. The other gets slammed and resigns. You guess which they are.
 
A president should be up to speed when he enters the office.Waiting nine months for a president to get his act together is unacceptable.
If we’re grading on a curve, his predecessor couldn’t do it in eight years.😃
 
A president should be up to speed when he enters the office.Waiting nine months for a president to get his act together is unacceptable.
Strange, in a recent debate for Democrats only, it was firmly said that the newly elected president should take six months to one year to assess the world situation before MAYBE speaking to some of those listed as enemies or terrorists. This seemed to be the time needed to “GET UP TO SPEED” on international and security issues.
 
If we’re grading on a curve, his predecessor couldn’t do it in eight years.😃
I realize this is off topic, but I’ve seen several of your posts focused on the Clinton Presidency. I’m interested…of the candidates who are now running for president, who do you trust to learn from the mistakes of his predecessors? Would the best man for the job have a stellar record on the abortion issue?
 
I realize this is off topic, but I’ve seen several of your posts focused on the Clinton Presidency. I’m interested…of the candidates who are now running for president, who do you trust to learn from the mistakes of his predecessors? Would the best man for the job have a stellar record on the abortion issue?
I see no declared candidate from either party whom I would choose if I had the power.
 
vern humphrey:
On the other hand, the Supreme Court used the 14th Amendment in deciding abortion was legal. Here’s the first section of that amendment:
Amendment XIV
Section 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
vern humphrey:
Note the bolded words…
The SC ruled that there was a penumbra under Section 1, right? So the shadow gained more power than the law casting the shadow, right? How did that happen?

🤷
 
And you base that on the previous administration’s ability to prevent the attack on the USS Cole, the bombing of the World Trade Center, the simultaneous attacks on the US embassies in Africa and so on?😃
Whoops! Elephant-in-the-room alert!
 
But different people are not worth more. Murdering a homeless street person carries the same penalty as murdering the mayor.
What is law is not what should be law. What is legislated is not necessarily what is moral.

Beyond that, though in terms of murder, this is the case, if someone with an 80 IQ and no gift in art were to seek a state grant for fine arts, he should be denied, whereas someone with a 140 IQ and great artistic talent, should be given that grant.

And this because these two people are not worth the same.
Then you would have no objection if you were the victim of an accident and someone decided your worth was zero and refused you medical treatment?
Your reasoning is so terribly flawed, to the point where it is next to impossible to communicate with you on this matter.

Nevertheless, out of morbid curiousity toward the conversation, I will attempt to explain.

Just because people’s lives are worth different amounts, does not mean that anyone’s life is “worth zero”. It does not follow. It cannot follow. Value, if it could be calculated, would be in ratios. So if my life were worth zero, by ratio, everyone’s would be (2 times 0 is 0).

Rather, if I were dying, and the president were, and the president had my blood type, it would be best to kill me, take my blood, and give it to the president. I would have no qualms with this.
Now, that’s not a flip statement – think about it a moment. If things are as you describe, the decision about worth must be made by someone else.
Of course, and always. That is why we should want competant leadership.
You have no (name removed by moderator)ut into the valuation of your life. And no appeal.
There is always appeal. I just may not be listened to.

In the grand scheme of things, it would matter little. People die every day, and I will die eventually anyway. If someone saw that my life should be expended for the sake of another, depending on the other, I would agree or disagree. But even if I disagree, if a mistake is made, hey. It’s just one life.
 
What is law is not what should be law. What is legislated is not necessarily what is moral.

Beyond that, though in terms of murder, this is the case, if someone with an 80 IQ and no gift in art were to seek a state grant for fine arts, he should be denied, whereas someone with a 140 IQ and great artistic talent, should be given that grant.

And this because these two people are not worth the same.
No.

If the person with the 140 IQ really has great artistic talent, he wouldn’t need a grant. People who collect art would buy his art.😛

And the money that would have gone for his grant could be used to help the person with the 80 IQ.
Your reasoning is so terribly flawed,
My reasoning is flawed?!?!

I’m not the one who committed the fallacy of claiming that a person who gets a grant for art is intrinsically worth more than someone who doesn’t!😃
to the point where it is next to impossible to communicate with you on this matter.
Work on your logic and communication skills and you will begin ot understand better.😛
Just because people’s lives are worth different amounts,
You’re begging the question – I don’t accept that one human life is worth more than another.
does not mean that anyone’s life is “worth zero”. It does not follow. It cannot follow. Value, if it could be calculated, would be in ratios. So if my life were worth zero, by ratio, everyone’s would be (2 times 0 is 0).
Irrelevant – all human lives are of great and equal value.
Rather, if I were dying, and the president were, and the president had my blood type, it would be best to kill me, take my blood, and give it to the president. I would have no qualms with this.
What you would have qualms with is immaterial. All human lives are of great and equal value. Who denies that denies the concept of human rights.
There is always appeal. I just may not be listened to.
Meaningless comment.
In the grand scheme of things, it would matter little. People die every day, and I will die eventually anyway. If someone saw that my life should be expended for the sake of another, depending on the other, I would agree or disagree. But even if I disagree, if a mistake is made, hey. It’s just one life.
In the grand scheme of things, to deny human rights is to bring down the whole fabric of civilization.
 
As everything you have written above the point I’ve started on needs no comment (it has been addressed at least twice already), I will proceed here now.
You’re begging the question – I don’t accept that one human life is worth more than another.
And I don’t accept that all human life is equal. By what basis do we discern between our two views?
 
And I don’t accept that all human life is equal. By what basis do we discern between our two views?
You can prove your point by declaring yourself worthless and serving as a slave to the guy with the great artistic talent and the 140 IQ.😃
 
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