Pro-Choice folks, what are your reasons for supporting abortion?

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vern_humphrey said:
I believe there may be a candidate who will appoint judges who will see Roe v Wade as the bad ruling it is.

Stated position on what? One side claims to be pro-life, albeit imperfectly, and the other is proudly and loudly pro-abortion.
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So you do have a candidate.
 
SoCalRC said:
Like I said, I will be praying for you. If you ever find the courage to answer the question, I’ll be listening.
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ike I said, I will be praying for you. If you ever find the courage to answer the question, I’ll be listening;)
 
edwest2 said:
To my fellow Catholics,

I recommend ignoring the various political football teams out there. It is nonsense to believe: “My party - right or wrong.”

Vote as the Bishops recommended. Even if that means making the extraordinary choice of voting for none of the candidates for president. You can still vote on individual issues.

God bless,
Ed
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Ed,

You are making a false, uncharitable assumption that it is “my party - right or wrong.” My support for the Republican candidates is from the Bishop’s recommendations. I have read the whole document, as well as many from the Vatican, and my judgment is that it is almost always the Republican candidate who is the best choice.

If the rare situation presents itself where a Democrat is the best choice, then I will vote for the Democrat.

I don’t read where the Bishops tell us we have to vote for an unknown third party candidate or a mystery “perfect” Catholic candidate (I’ve never seen one).
Our Bishops:
  1. When all candidates hold a position in favor of an intrinsic evil, the conscientious voter faces a dilemma. The voter may decide to take the extraordinary step of not voting for any candidate or**, after careful deliberation, may decide to vote for the candidate deemed less likely to advance such a morally flawed position and more likely to pursue other authentic human goods.**
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rlg94086 said:
Ed,

You are making a false, uncharitable assumption that it is “my party - right or wrong.” My support for the Republican candidates is from the Bishop’s recommendations. I have read the whole document, as well as many from the Vatican, and my judgment is that it is almost always the Republican candidate who is the best choice.
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The whole point of one side in this debate is to paint anyone who doesn’t vote Democratic as “intrinsically evil.” We’re supposed to see that the Republicans aren’t perfect, and turn around and vote for taxpayer-funded abortion.
 
mapleoak said:
But, remember that morality is not dependent on ‘IF other do this’.
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No, it is not.
But the knowledge of the situation is where morality sits.

Given the knowledge that Catholic voters (for the most part) do not do as you propose in your perfect world scenario, we must act accordingly to mitigate the harm that could be done.

You may try to fool yourself, but ultimately God will be answered to. Frank the Fruit Loop may be the perfect pro-life candidate, but if this candidate is not capable of winning the election, he is not worth the vote.
 
vern_humphrey said:
The whole point of one side in this debate is to paint anyone who doesn’t vote Democratic as “intrinsically evil.” We’re supposed to see that the Republicans aren’t perfect, and turn around and vote for taxpayer-funded abortion.
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Of course that side of the debate makes no sense at all.
 
vz71 said:
No, it is not.
But the knowledge of the situation is where morality sits.

Given the knowledge that Catholic voters (for the most part) do not do as you propose in your perfect world scenario, we must act accordingly to mitigate the harm that could be done.
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I agree with you that many Catholic voters do not vote as I do or suggest and other fellow Catholics realize the way those Catholics are voting and decide to join together with them. I do believe they may be justified in doing so by applying proportionate reasons. I don’t think of my way as a perfect world scenario, only that in good conscience that I must refrain from supporting candidates who support the intrinsic evil of abortion. And I know that the Church approves of it.
You may try to fool yourself, but ultimately God will be answered to.
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For honestly believing I am making a moral choice in how I choose to vote, yes I will have to answer for one day, as will we all. We can only trust in His mercy.
 
mapleoak said:
I misspoke. I meant candidates who hold positions in favor of or support intrinsic evil. Sorry.
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No problem.

Just want to clarify the terms here as I can see that this issue is going to reduce to hair splitting.

Abortion = intrinsic evil
believing abortion to be a valid choice = very warped, but not intrinsic evil.

I’m sure others will correct me if I am mistaken here.
 
mapleoak said:
I don’t think of my way as a perfect world scenario, only that in good conscience that I must refrain from supporting candidates who support the intrinsic evil of abortion. And I know that the Church approves of it.

For honestly believing I am making a moral choice in how I choose to vote, yes I will have to answer for one day, as will we all. We can only trust in His mercy.
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If you can honestly say that you believe a vote for a candidate that cannot win the election (but is perfectly pro-life) is going to put an end to abortion, I’ll not argue it.

It is a noble sentiment, but I believe it to be fundementally flawed.
 
mapleoak said:
Of course that side of the debate makes no sense at all.
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So you agree that as a Catholic one can morally vote for 1) the imperfectly pro-life major party candidate, 2) a more-perfectly pro-life third party candidate, or 3) no-one; but you can not morally vote for an actively pro-abortion candidate if a more pro-life option is available?

I believe that. I think the choice to vote 3rd party or not at all is imprudent, but it is certainly moral.

I can’t see how voting for a pro-abortion candidate can be moral, given a better choice.

God Bless
 
bilop said:
So you agree that as a Catholic one can morally vote for 1) the imperfectly pro-life major party candidate, 2) a more-perfectly pro-life third party candidate, or 3) no-one; but you can not morally vote for an actively pro-abortion candidate if a more pro-life option is available?
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My reply was agreeing with the assertion that it makes no sense to claim that if both candidates support abortion, one in all cases, the other only in limited circumstances, one then becomes free to vote for the full blown avowed pro-abortion candidate.
The whole point of one side in this debate is to paint anyone who doesn’t vote Democratic as “intrinsically evil.”
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I must have missed that part of the debate somehow. Not that it wasn’t there, I didn’t see it.
We’re supposed to see that the Republicans aren’t perfect, and turn around and vote for taxpayer-funded abortion
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Again, agreed, this is illogical and wrong.
 
mapleoak said:
My reply was agreeing with the assertion that it makes no sense to claim that if both candidates support abortion, one in all cases, the other only in limited circumstances, one then becomes free to vote for the full blown avowed pro-abortion candidate.
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OK.

So, in your opinion, is it moral to vote for a pro-abortion candidate when a more pro-life alternative is available?

God Bless
 
MapleOak said-
My reply was agreeing with the assertion that it makes no sense to claim that if both candidates support abortion, one in all cases, the other only in limited circumstances, one then becomes free to vote for the full blown avowed pro-abortion candidate.
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This makes no sense.
 
bilop said:
I’m glad we agree. I can see a Catholic, in good conscience, voting 3rd party, but I can not see voting for the pro-abortionist.

God Bless
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Though I also agree that there are numerous posters who have posted on this thread using just that argument to justify voting for their pro-abortion choices.
 
mapleoak said:
Though I also agree that there are numerous posters who have posted on this thread using just that argument to justify voting for their pro-abortion choices.
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Yes. I thought that your position was different, and didn’t want you tarred with the same brush.

There is a sentimental attachment to the Democratic party among many Catholics, including, sadly, priests and bishops, that has prevented them from acting and speaking forthrightly on abortion and other life issues. Them mental gymnastics and torture of logic used to justify supporting pro-abortionists are painful to watch.

God Bless
 
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