Pro-Choice folks, what are your reasons for supporting abortion?

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vz71 said:
Then perhaps things like wording, placement, context, timing, etc need to be taken into consideration.

Placing a billboard in public that highlights the torn apart remains of an abortion invites public outcry from both pro-life and pro-abortion side. As witnessed on this thread, the pro-abortion side delights in the contention it creates.

Graphic imagery has a place, and it should serve to shock people into action. But placement on a public billboard fails this purpose utterly. The lack of consideration due the audience that may see it is the downfall of this tactic. You want to shock adults into action…not shock their preschool children. Nor force the parents into dialogues with their own children that the parent feels the child is not ready for.

It frightens children, and usurps the authority of the parent.
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I read through the thread before posting my comment, I don’t think that anyone takes delight in it. I do see your point, however, I also see that a child is more likely to react in a way that others react around them. This I showed from the way my parents reacted to shocking things when I was a child, I find great empathy now for many things as a result of that. I do not think that it will harm a child to see these images, like I said earlier, I saw the images of the holocost, the hangings, the burning crosses, and more when I was younger. (I was young when Dr. Martin Luther King was murdered, when Lee Harvey Oswald was assinated, when President Kennedy was assinated, when the Vietnam War was gong on, etc…It never made me want to do any of those things and my parents explained to me, on my level, and reassured me and comforted me when things did at first frighten me. They did not shelter me from the reality of all those things however. It wasn’t like they made me sit in front of the t.v. and watch the news, but when I came into the room while they were watching it, they didn’t react with shock that I was in the room and turn it off either.
 
allhers said:
like I said earlier, I saw the images of the holocost, the hangings, the burning crosses, and more when I was younger. (I was young when Dr. Martin Luther King was murdered, when Lee Harvey Oswald was assinated, when President Kennedy was assinated, when the Vietnam War was gong on, etc…It never made me want to do any of those things and my parents explained to me, on my level, and reassured me and comforted me when things did at first frighten me.
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There is one striking difference here.
These things you witnessed were evil in action.
Not evil placed on a billboard for the shock value.

Having to explain to my child the way the world is working as a result of the workings in this world is one thing. Explaining to my child because some moron thinks its a good idea to advertise the evils in the world is something different entirely.
 
vz71 said:
There is one striking difference here.
These things you witnessed were evil in action.
Not evil placed on a billboard for the shock value.

**Having to explain to my child the way the world is working as a result of the workings in this world is one thing. ** Explaining to my child because some moron thinks its a good idea to advertise the evils in the world is something different entirely.
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The part I bolded, that is what you ought to be doing, right? That is what is happening in our world. The images I saw when young were also on public display, on magazine covers, on newspaper front pages in newsboxes, on t.v., inside of buses, even if my parents had sheltered me from the television, they could have never prevented me from seeing them everywhere else unless they took me out blindfolded everywhere we went.
 
I wonder if anyone here is familiar with Numbers 5:11–31.

As far as I can tell it prescribes a forced abortion should a woman have become pregnant through adultery.

These are verses 26-28 as found on the International Bible Society’s website:

“The priest is then to take a handful of the grain offering as a memorial [c] offering and burn it on the altar; after that, he is to have the woman drink the water. 27 If she has made herself impure and been unfaithful to her husband, this will be the result: When she is made to drink the water that brings a curse and causes bitter suffering, it will enter her, her abdomen will swell and her womb will miscarry, and she will become a curse. 28 If, however, the woman has not made herself impure, but is clean, she will be cleared of guilt and will be able to have children.”

What is the understanding on this forum of this passage in the Old Testament?
 
vz71 said:
Also, who are you to decide where and when a parent is to educate their child?
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You are objecting to a useful tool which educates men and women about the reality of abortion and has saved lives on the basis that you are not willing or ready to educate your child. What are you waiting for? Their are lives at stake.
 
vz71 said:
I agree Vern. And that is why public billboards are no place for this imagery.

Children will see it. And many will recognize it for what it is.
It will frighten, and shock, and serve no worthwhile purpose whatsoever.
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No it will not frighten, and shock, and serve no worthwhile purporse. I can’t speak for your children, but the general statement is false.
 
mapleoak said:
You are objecting to a useful tool which educates men and women about the reality of abortion and has saved lives on the basis that you are not willing or ready to educate your child. What are you waiting for? Their are lives at stake.
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Mapleoak,

would you also endorse the public display of imagery of animal cruelty from slaughterhouses, sponsored by PETA, and images of mangled and slaughtered Iraqi children, sponsored by war protesters? How about images of mangled traffic deaths from Mothers Against Drunk Driving? Images of bullet-riddled bodies from the anti-gun lobby?
 
marietta said:
The Pro-Life Mother consumes her young.

I dare not feel giddy.

marietta
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What are your reasons for supporting abortion (other than those we have already refuted)?

Realize that know matter how you twist it, you cannot make a logical unrefutable argument, as your post above would seem to indicate. Also note that no matter how much those of us who are in the battle to save the unborn may disagree on specific tactics and the appropriate use of them, we have one goal in common, To save the unborn. The opposite of the serial killing you are promoting.

What are your reasons for supporting abortion? 😉
 
mapleoak said:
What are your reasons for supporting abortion (other than those we have already refuted)?

Realize that know matter how you twist it, you cannot make a logical unrefutable argument, as your post above would seem to indicate. Also note that no matter how much those of us who are in the battle to save the unborn may disagree on specific tactics and the appropriate use of them, we have one goal in common, To save the unborn. The opposite of the serial killing you are promoting.

What are your reasons for supporting abortion? 😉
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What makes you think I support abortion? I have made no such statement anywhere. I did post some verses from the Old Testament (Numbers 5:11-31, or more specifically 26-28). I asked this forum’s opinion on them (as they seem to indicate Biblical endorsement of forcing an unfaithful wife to terminate an illegitimate pregnancy—see above.)

If you want to know my opinion on abortion, I am considering it carefully. I do think that late term abortions are horrific, and need some very convincing reasons to accept them—reasons I haven’t heard yet.

And my question to you still stands. Would you accept these other kinds of imagery, from other people who also believe they fight for very good causes?
 
SFTor said:
Mapleoak,

would you also endorse the public display of imagery of animal cruelty from slaughterhouses, sponsored by PETA, and images of mangled and slaughtered Iraqi children, sponsored by war protesters? How about images of mangled traffic deaths from Mothers Against Drunk Driving? Images of bullet-riddled bodies from the anti-gun lobby?
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Would you agree there is a major difference in the scale, magnitude, and gravity of the crime of slaughtering millions of unborn babies compared to that of the crime of animal cruelty? Babies lives are being saved through their use and a price cannot be put on that. Would you say the price of taking the time to educate ones children ahead of time if needed as some here claim is too high a price to pay for something that effectively saves lives?
Extraordinary means are required.
BTW animal slaughterhouses don’t sponser animal cruelty.
 
mapleoak said:
Would you agree there is a major difference in the scale, magnitude, and gravity of the crime of slaughtering millions of unborn babies compared to that of the crime of animal cruelty? Babies lives are being saved through their use and a price cannot be put on that. Would you say the price of taking the time to educate ones children ahead of time if needed as some here claim is too high a price to pay for something that effectively saves lives?
Extraordinary means are required.
BTW animal slaughterhouses don’t sponser animal cruelty.
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You’re not answering my question. If you have the right to use shock methods to educate the public about your cause, then do you accord the same right to others? Yes or no, maple?

And let me make it clear that I did not intend to compare animals to humans. I think the difference is fundamental.
 
SFTor said:
You’re not answering my question. If you have the right to use shock methods to educate the public about your cause, then do you accord the same right to others?
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It is certainly appropriate to display the reality of what something is when general ignorance abounds, especially if it means human lives will be saved. You are mistaken in calling them shock methods.
 
mapleoak said:
You are objecting to a useful tool which educates men and women about the reality of abortion and has saved lives on the basis that you are not willing or ready to educate your child. What are you waiting for? Their are lives at stake.
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You post should come with the disclaimer: straw man construction at work.

I’ve already stated my objections.
 
First, marietta makes some flippant remark that follows along with the gist of the posts marietta has been making throughout the thread.
marietta said:
The Pro-Life Mother consumes her young.
I dare not feel giddy.
marietta
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then mapleoak responds directly to it. While at the same time quoting the exact post so there is no mistaking what the post is responding to.
mapleoak said:
What are your reasons for supporting abortion (other than those we have already refuted)?
What are your reasons for supporting abortion? 😉
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Then the very new member SFTor responds, also quoting the previous post from mapleoak, removing doubt as to which post they refer to as well…as though they are marietta…
SFTor said:
What makes you think I support abortion? I have made no such statement anywhere. I did post some verses from the Old Testament (Numbers 5:11-31, or more specifically 26-28). I asked this forum’s opinion on them (as they seem to indicate Biblical endorsement of forcing an unfaithful wife to terminate an illegitimate pregnancy—see above.)

If you want to know my opinion on abortion, I am considering it carefully. I do think that late term abortions are horrific, and need some very convincing reasons to accept them—reasons I haven’t heard yet.

And my question to you still stands. Would you accept these other kinds of imagery, from other people who also believe they fight for very good causes?
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Am I the only one here that is beginning to think that marietta and SFTor are one in the same?
 
mapleoak said:
Babies lives are being saved through their use and a price cannot be put on that.
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Really??
Proof please. I have serious doubts.

If there is anything whatsoever that shows the unborn lives are being saved through the public display of these graphic and disturbing images, I would have to rethink my position against their use.
 
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