Pro-Faith, Pro-Family, Pro-Choice

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Most of us here have probably heard of [not really] catholics for a free choice.

But there’s also this group:

rcrc.org/

What are people’s takes on this? Frankly, I find it deeply concerning that there are organisations like this and cffc, its like the blind leading the blind, and its a very dangerous Christian mindset, or even faith based mindset to tell people that abortion is a “matter between a woman and her god”. That choice of wording, “her god” implies that its not God, but her own liberal, baby-killing-allowing deity that the choice is residing between.

Should we as Catholics, and by extension, Pro-Lifers, seek to expose these people, or just leave them be and let women learn the hard way if they want to venture down that road of “religiously okay abortions”.

Or is it really, a cynical contraption crafted by the pro-abortion movement, as once I pointed out to a pro-abort about “Atheists and Agnostics for Life”, his response was that it was a made up organisation by the Catholic church to try and get peopel to think that abortion was something people other than the religious obsessed about.

(And as a side note, I always find it ironically chilling that people say “pro-family, pro-choice”. What’s pro-family about killing children?)
 
Wow. That is a genuinely disturbing website. Thanks for bringing it to my notice. And talk about an oxymoronic statement - “pro-family and pro-choice”…

While it’s possible that this might be just a cynical ploy (stranger things have happened), I think there’s a lot of confusion these days about the relationship between faith and morals. Ever since the Reformation (which made justification a single declaration rather than a process), and its reductio ad absurdam of “Once saved, always saved”, there’s been a steady erosion of the concept of mortal sins, and a belief that “it’s a private matter between me and God.”

As for how to deal with them, I think a perfectly acceptable answer would be to refute their arguments and contentions, logically and calmly, using both religious and scientific knowledge. At least that would be a worthwhile first step.
 
RPRPsych said:
As for how to deal with them, I think a perfectly acceptable answer would be to refute their arguments and contentions, logically and calmly, using both religious and scientific knowledge. At least that would be a worthwhile first step.
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I think their problem, (which by extension becomes ours) is they just revert back to the whole “well, its up to teh woman’s conscience”, and yet we point out that the conscience must be a moral and well informed one, which then leads them to harp on about who determines what is a “moral and well informed conscience”, you mention God and they go back to the “its a matter between a woman and HER god”.

Its that sick, twisted circular logic.

I’ve known about them for years, didn’t think they had started after Roe had been established.

But I found some abortion stories online the other day in my research, and I found one written by a “pro-life catholic” who was getting an abortion, and now she was pro-choice and she was upset that she was killing her baby and she knew god would forgive her, but she was now going to have to hide it from her family. There was no follow up as to if she actually got the abortion, but I have to querry the strength of how our pro-life Catholics are being raised if they can so easily get an abortion.

Part of me views it as a cynical ploy by the pro-abortion movement to get Christian/Pro-Life women through the clinic doors and to allay their religious guilt by telling them God doesn’t mind if you throw that gift back in His face.
 
This website might be just what we need to inspire “fence sitting” Christians to see that the fence is no longer an option.

For me the most disturbing part of their site is the focus on “women of color”. If I remember correctly Planned Parenthood was founded with the intent of keeping the number of “people of color” as limited as possible. I’d be curious how “colorful” this organization truly is.

On a side note, I’ve never believed we will end abortions by legislating them out of existance. IMO we need to have much more focus on the Demand side and less on the Supply side. Pictures of angry “Christians” yelling at pregnant women outside of clinics wll only galvenize the pro-abortionists and sway many fence-sitters to their side of the fence. Give women that are in crisis pregnacies real choices where no one has to die and I think you’ll see a real and significant reduction in the numbers of abortions. Health Care, No-fault/No-guilt adoption services, Finacial aid, Child care services… These will be more effective in ending abortion then waving photos of murdered children at women that are already having what is likely the worst day of their life. With the current state of medical technology we see premature babies surviving from younger and younger ages. How far off are we from “survivable abortions” where a woman can end a crisis pregnancy without ending the baby’s life? And if that becomes possible, are we ready as a church to care for the children we are fighting to save?

I hope so…
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But I could be wrong. 🙂

God Bless!
 
Did you read the perspectives page? It was completely misrepresenting the Church and what she teaches on abortion. Most of it was opinion, written my Catholics for choice…sad.
 
According to the organization’s historical timeline, RCAR was founded in 1973, with 25 religious organizations belonging to RCAR by 1975. Its name changed to RCRC in 1993.

Given its extensive history, and yet we are just learning about its existence, perhaps its not a very effective organization.
 
I agree with Dale on this one…if they have been around for 37 years and have no real presence, let’s not give them a forum by debating with their wrongheaded ideas on their own turf.

Their own absurdity speaks for itself in the title. Prayers for those whose “own god” would allow such an atrocity are in order.

One more point about those who participate in Right to Life activities. I have been on the sidewalk in front of an abortion mill. None of our Catholics have ever yelled at anyone. One time I witnessed a deranged man with a megaphone who was yelling. Unable to convince him that he was not helping and asking him to join us in prayer was rebuffed as nonsense. We simply moved further up the sidewalk and away from his position and continued with our prayers. I’ve seen firsthand that our efforts do make a difference and witnessed a young couple who came back out of the mill where they entered fully intending to kill their baby. They rolled down their car window and between sobs said that they were unable to go through with it. Our sidewalk couselor directed thema cross the street to a women’s center for an ultrasound and some real help with life issues, not death issues.:amen:
 
Liars. That website if full of liars, thieves and murderers.

Anyone who uses the term “reproductive health” when they are talking about abortion is a liar of a caliber which makes the prince of lies proud.

Why is it always rich white people who are concerned that poor black people are having too many children?

That website makes me want to vomit. I don’t know how such evil could disguise themselves as doing good.
 
JohnAlexander said:
Liars. That website if full of liars, thieves and murderers.

Anyone who uses the term “reproductive health” when they are talking about abortion is a liar of a caliber which makes the prince of lies proud.

Why is it always rich white people who are concerned that poor black people are having too many children?

That website makes me want to vomit. I don’t know how such evil could disguise themselves as doing good.
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Careful now… Matthew 7.1. It’s good and healthy to disagree (vehemently and fundamentally) with someone’s position but ‘liar,’ ‘thief,’ ‘murderer’ and ‘evil’ are heavy claims and, to be frank, come off as a bit more hateful than I’m sure you are.
 
Sherry_G said:
I agree with Dale on this one…if they have been around for 37 years and have no real presence, let’s not give them a forum by debating with their wrongheaded ideas on their own turf.

Their own absurdity speaks for itself in the title. Prayers for those whose “own god” would allow such an atrocity are in order.

One more point about those who participate in Right to Life activities. I have been on the sidewalk in front of an abortion mill. None of our Catholics have ever yelled at anyone. One time I witnessed a deranged man with a megaphone who was yelling. Unable to convince him that he was not helping and asking him to join us in prayer was rebuffed as nonsense. We simply moved further up the sidewalk and away from his position and continued with our prayers. I’ve seen firsthand that our efforts do make a difference and witnessed a young couple who came back out of the mill where they entered fully intending to kill their baby. They rolled down their car window and between sobs said that they were unable to go through with it. Our sidewalk couselor directed thema cross the street to a women’s center for an ultrasound and some real help with life issues, not death issues.:amen:
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🙂

I too have been at times with my parish and with 40 Days For Life in front of the abortion mills. The “rcrc website” is basically pro-choice. Another plot of satan to delude Christians into imbecility.

I also saw the “catholics for choice website” run by Jon O’Brien. O’brien and his “catholic” supporters have been charged with heresy under Canon Law and are excommunicated until they shut down or leave their site and repent.

No one can be a Christian and pro-choice. This was always the norm of Christianity until the 1920’s. This so-called new thinking, new-age, liberation theology is nothing more than neo-pagan nonsense.

Then the words of pastors, preachers, priests and bishops of Christianity abroad who think and push pro-choice ideologies to their congregations speak contrary to the Gospel, are false teachers. Christians are not to learn their “half truths”. Stay away.

Catholis are Pro-Life. If they are pro-choice then they are in sin and only catholic by name only deemed to possibly putting themselves to eternal punishment when they die if they don’t repent.
 
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Did you read the perspectives page? It was completely misrepresenting the Church and what she teaches on abortion. Most of it was opinion, written my Catholics for choice…sad.
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Someone was telling me years ago that she went to a “catholics for a free choice” luncheon thing when she was pro-abortion. When someone offered her membership, she said “Oh, I’m not Catholic” and the guy replied “Don’t worry, nor am I, I’m Jewish, and those guys over there, Anglicans, and those three women, are actually atheists”.

I’ve always remembered it, and have hope that the majority of its members are NOT catholic, but I guess its that sin of scandal, that they’re making people THINK they are for a sinful action.
 
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