Pro-Gay Priest Condemns Canadian Cardinal for Remarks on Abortion/Rape

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They were quoted in yesterday’s “L’Acadie Nouvelle”. I didn’t see anything on the subject in the English newspapers. I also don’t get the entire article since I don’t have a subscription to that paper.
I see it now. I used the google translate feature for it:

translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=http://an.capacadie.com/&ei=17z5S5W3OcG78gbszsC-Cg&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCAQ7gEwAA&prev=/search%3Fq%3DL%2527Acadie%2BNouvelle%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26hs%3D4OL%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official
 
“Pro-gay” - I assume that means no problem with gay lifestyle. If this is so, by inference he must also be pro-masturbation, pro-fornication and pro-contraception.

They could pretty much rip out the confessional in his church. Very sad.
 
“Pro-gay” - I assume that means no problem with gay lifestyle. If this is so, by inference he must also be pro-masturbation, pro-fornication and pro-contraception.

They could pretty much rip out the confessional in his church. Very sad.
Whoah! These things are not mutually inclusive.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
Our order did not reject Padre Pio. However, there is a policy in our order that no priest may ever singularize himself. Our priests are required to blend in with the lay brothers. They are also required to avoid as much contact with the laity as possible.

Padre Pio’s stigmata attracted a great deal of attention. At the time, the order did not know what the cause of the wounds were. Some alleged it was a miracle and others alleged that it was psychological. The case had to be studied.

However, there was a major problem. Padre Pio became very popular among the laity. This made him stand-out from his brothers. He was unable to blend iin. Soon the friary became a circus with people coming from all over to visit Padre Pio. The Superior General ordered him not to appear in public, even for mass. He always celebrated mass in the enclosure chapel. That is, a chapel inside the cloister where the laity is not allowed to enter.

When it was finally decided that the wounds were genuine, then he was given permission to celebrate mass and hear confessions for the laity, provided that he not spend too much time with them. Each person came and went in about 10 minutes. He saw hundreds of people each week and sometimes more. But he was to avoid relationships with the laity. This actually made him very happy. He did not want relationships with the laity. He entered the order to be a Capuchin Franciscan Friar, not a priest.

Saying one mass a day and hearing confessions made him very happy. He loved celebrating mass and hearing confessions. He did not enjoy doing any of the other jobs that priests do. The superior’s restraint actually protected him, because he was never assigned to a parish or any place where he had to spend long periods with lay people.

The only lay people whom he really enjoyed were children. He had a special place in his heart for sick children. He asked for permission to raise money for a hospital. Our superior granted the permission and the hospital was built.

There are too many non Franciscan historians writing about Padre Pio and they don’t understand Franciscan discipline. To them, hiding a friar looks like a punishment. To us, the fact that a superior tells us that it is dangerous for us and the laity to be in contact is a cause of joy. We don’t like that much exposure. We prefer to spend most of our day in prayer or with our own brothers.

But this is not a suspension. Because in this case the person can celebrate the sacraments, but not for the laity or where the laity can see. Padre Pio celebrated mass in the enclosure chapel and the novices enjoyed going to his masses, because he has a wonderful sense of humor and he was an excellent preacher. His holiness came through in his homilies. But they were not meant for the laity until the superior general decided that it was safe.

When people don’t understand the job of a superior, they get confused and call things punishments or by other negative names, when for us, they are part of our life and we don’t think twice about them.

That’s the difference between a religious and a secular person. There are very few things that upset religious men. LOL

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
This proves History is written by the “history” channel. One can get all sorts of takes. I did see a story of St. Padre Pio’s life on EWTN. It was beautiful and he was a beautiful person. I would have like to have met him.
 
This proves History is written by the “history” channel. One can get all sorts of takes. I did see a story of St. Padre Pio’s life on EWTN. It was beautiful and he was a beautiful person. I would have like to have met him.
I too would have loved that. I attended a Capuchin high school and I remember the friars talking about him. It was really great, because Padre Pio was still alive so the spoke about him in a very natural manner, not like the History Channel. What I mean is that they related stories about him right in the mix wiht stories about the other friar who put too much yeast in the bread and the one who was a great missionary and so forth.

I never met Padre Pio, but I was introduced to him as a real person, not as this larger than life persona. I think that’s the problem. We blow people up so that they become larger than life and then it’s very difficult to imitate their holiness.

I knew that Pio did not like to spend time among the laity. Most people don’t know this. I learned it from the friars. They would tell stories of the superior ordering him to celebrate the high mass for the people or to go out and do something tthat would involved the laity.

I knew about the kids, because the friars would tell very warm stories about him and the children at the hospital that he built.

Some friars would read letters to us, letters from him. They always had a little message to the friars in America and always a little joike. They were very normal letters. He’d ask simple questions about people’s health, their work and he’d share about the weather and the other friars and how his health was doing and so forth. He was a very real person to me.

When I come on CAF and here about Padre Pioe being practically hated by his Capuchin brothers I’m left wondering which Padre Pio are people talking about. The Capuchins with which I went to school saw him as just one of the guys who had some mysterious appearance of wounds that only time would tell if they were from God. But that was not important to them. Because the stigmata does not make a saint. Personal holiness and heroic virtue make saints. The stigmata is God’s majesty not our own. So the friars recognized them, but looked past them. They like Padre Pio because he was likeable, even though he could be snippy when he wanted to be.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
Originally Posted by timotheos
“Pro-gay” - I assume that means no problem with gay lifestyle. If this is so, by inference he must also be pro-masturbation, pro-fornication and pro-contraception.
They could pretty much rip out the confessional in his church. Very sad.
Whoah! These things are not mutually inclusive.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
Ooops, I should not have included fornication, specifically. But with all respect, please explain your reply. In my view, removing the procreative aspect of sexual activity reduces it to a group of superficially-unrelated but relatively equivalent pleasure-seeking behaviors, and as such, disordered. (???)
 
woah woah woah.

Why is Raymond Gravel still a priest? Is there nothing anybody can do? Why hasn’t Rome done anything? I am confused and appalled. Pro-gay, pro-abortion, basically anti-vatican - and not only his he allowed Communion but he celebrates Mass and hears confessions as a Catholic Priest?

Please, someone, explain.
 
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