Pro-gay-rights folks, I don't understand y'all

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I’ve only asked this question about 20 times here in the last 6 months. I’ve yet to get an answer. How is my marriage going to be affected if two gay people get the same legal rights of marriage?

And please back up claims of “skyrocketing” divorce rates with real evidence…50% would seem way up there already btw. 40% of all first marriages and 50% of all second marriage end in divorce, according the the statistics I’ve seen quoted in the last few years. I’d like to see the nexus between gay marriage and skyrocketing divorce…I can’t think of one so far.
 
The issue is not what effect it has on a Christian marriage, but where are we going to draw the line on what makes a marriage.

Group A wants a new definition that goes against the will of the people, using the premise they have a “right” to define marriage anyway they please. And for the life of them they can’t understand why society does not ACCEPT their premise a marriage can be 1 man and 1 man. I’ll concede 1 man and 1 man can have a relationship, but in the books of most states don’t call that a marriage.

Group B says, “we don’t care if you want to live together etc, but don’t try to change the definition of marriage.” The precept will sit in motion for any fringe group to make a legit claim their view of marriage should be recognized by the state.
 
Why shouldn’t we re-define whats counts as marriage?
Can nobody else see that marriage, for the majority, is no longer sacred. People get married and divorced on a whim in our current society. For hetorosexual couples, marriage means nothing. But for the homosexual community it means everything. So much so that they are willing to fight tooth and nail for something that heterosexuals are given freely and abuse most of the time.

Perhaps we should be giving the responsibility of marriage only to the group of people willing to fight for it.

And this isnt me saying that “ohhh marriage doesn’t mean anything anymore so why not give it to them”. I’m saying that marriage should mean something so we should only be giving to to those who fully appreciate and respect it. Remember marriage should never be a right, its something you should work for, and if anybody knows that in our current society its the gay community.
 
BamaRider said:
That’s all well and good and I agree, I only have a problem when they (or any other group) want to redefine what makes up a marriage.
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Why should those who voice this thought be the only ones who get to define what marriage is? Most of the gay couples I know who consider themselves married, don’t feel any different about their relationship than the heterosexual couples I know who are married. Why isn’t their definitions of marriage less valid than yours?
 
One of the big excuses that the anti-gay folks always seem to trot out is that homosexuality is “un-natural”. If anyone has spent much time around animals you would see how untrue that statement is. I have a beautiful little Siamese cat. She was bought for breeding. The funny thing is, she turned out to have a great dislike of male cats and when she came into heat she kept courting the other female cat. It is also well documented in the animal kingdom. Here are a couple of interesting links about the subject:
news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/20080516/sc_livescience/samesexcouplescommoninthewild
livescience.com/bestimg/index.php?url=&cat=gayanimals
 
myndsplyntur said:
Personally, I think that gay people should be allowed to get married if they really want to. I don’t think it has to be called marriage, if it wants to be called domestic partnership, that’s fine too.

I was always under the impression marriage was supposed to be about love, but some people seem to think it is solely about procreation…? Whatever.
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I think we heterosexuals are doing a good enough job ruining the “sanctity” of marriage with the divorce rate. C’mon**…
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One evil doesn’t justify another evil.
 
jackhf12 said:
Why shouldn’t we re-define whats counts as marriage?
Can nobody else see that marriage, for the majority, is no longer sacred. People get married and divorced on a whim in our current society. For hetorosexual couples, marriage means nothing. But for the homosexual community it means everything. So much so that they are willing to fight tooth and nail for something that heterosexuals are given freely and abuse most of the time.
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Perhaps we should be giving the responsibility of marriage only to the group of people willing to fight for it. **

And this isnt me saying that “ohhh marriage doesn’t mean anything anymore so why not give it to them”. I’m saying that marriage should mean something so we should only be giving to to those who fully appreciate and respect it. Remember marriage should never be a right, its something you should work for, and if anybody knows that in our current society its the gay community.
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Your profile says you are Catholic. You should know then that what you have just said is against the teachings of the Church.
 
Here’s the problem: the homosexual agenda forces us to have less rights and gives more rights than anyone else to gays. For example Christians who run hotels, rental apartments, etc. are sometimes FORCED to allow gay couples to rent and act as married couples. In Minneapolis 3 schools decided to have 2nd and 3rd grade kids act out what a homo. family would be like! They are now going to learn specific homosexual terms. (How sick is that??) And does anyone think for a moment that when gay couples adopt, those little innocent kids have any idea of life outside of homosexual life?? Yes, respect the person, but hate the sin. This agenda is being shoved down our throats, slowly and subtly. Very soon gay people will have rights; you and I will have very few or none. Open your eyes and listen to sources which tell the truth about this. Hint: it’s not the major media outlets.
 
minimom said:
And does anyone think for a moment that when gay couples adopt, those little innocent kids have any idea of life outside of homosexual life?? .
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I don’t have children yet, but my eight year old sister knows I’m queer, she knows my girlfriend, she knows we’re a couple. She understands she’s from a faith where that’s not accepted. She understands that there are people who think gay people should be married and people who don’t. It seems she hasn’t been exposed to anything she shouldn’t have been. Seems like all children will eventually learn that there are straight people and there are gay people. And there’s no evidence the children of homosexual couples are more likely to be anything - depressed, criminal, homosexual themselves, etc. So the “save the children” point of view doesn’t seem to make sense to me. Would you care to elaborate on what you mean?
 
anamchrist said:
One of the big excuses that the anti-gay folks always seem to trot out is that homosexuality is “un-natural”. If anyone has spent much time around animals you would see how untrue that statement is.
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The arguement is not that Same Sex Attraction is unnatural, that is, it doesn’t occur in nature. It is that it is against the Natural Law.
 
minimom said:
Here’s the problem: the homosexual agenda forces us to have less rights and gives more rights than anyone else to gays. For example Christians who run hotels, rental apartments, etc. are sometimes FORCED to allow gay couples to rent and act as married couples. In Minneapolis 3 schools decided to have 2nd and 3rd grade kids act out what a homo. family would be like! They are now going to learn specific homosexual terms. (How sick is that??) And does anyone think for a moment that when gay couples adopt, those little innocent kids have any idea of life outside of homosexual life?? Yes, respect the person, but hate the sin. This agenda is being shoved down our throats, slowly and subtly. Very soon gay people will have rights; you and I will have very few or none. Open your eyes and listen to sources which tell the truth about this. Hint: it’s not the major media outlets.
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The “homosexual agenda” does not give you less rights, it gives homosexuals equal rights. You may feel that this in someway
deducts from your rights but in reality it really doesn’t. They aren’t trying to take over, they just want to stand beside the rest of society on equal footing

And more power to schools educating children on homosexuals. The only forward in creating a tolerant society is through understanding and acceptance. And, out of interest, what exactly would these homosexual terms be? :confused:
 
minimom said:
Here’s the problem: the homosexual agenda forces us to have less rights and gives more rights than anyone else to gays. For example Christians who run hotels, rental apartments, etc. are sometimes FORCED to allow gay couples to rent and act as married couples.
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So what would you like? Would you like those Christians-who-own-hotels to turn away the same-sex couple?

You know, I’ve just decided that the hotel *I *own no longer recognizes the validity of Catholicism. Therefore, no Catholic couples will be allowed into my hotel.

And you people pretend this isn’t about discrimination…
In Minneapolis 3 schools decided to have 2nd and 3rd grade kids act out what a homo. family would be like! They are now going to learn specific homosexual terms. (How sick is that??) And does anyone think for a moment that when gay couples adopt, those little innocent kids have any idea of life outside of homosexual life?? Yes, respect the person, but hate the sin. This agenda is being shoved down our throats, slowly and subtly. Very soon gay people will have rights; you and I will have very few or none. Open your eyes and listen to sources which tell the truth about this. Hint: it’s not the major media outlets.
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I think how these controversial issues are treated in public schools is something that needs to be looked at critically.
 
PaulinVA said:
The arguement is not that Same Sex Attraction is unnatural, that is, it doesn’t occur in nature. It is that it is against the Natural Law.
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“Natural Law” was an idea *founded *in an understanding of the natural world. It used to mean exactly what it sounds like, but has slowly lost it’s meaning over the years.

Here’s a hint: It doesn’t mean much of anything any more.
 
The “homosexual agenda” does not give you less rights, it gives homosexuals equal rights. You may feel that this in someway
deducts from your rights but in reality it really doesn’t. They aren’t trying to take over, they just want to stand beside the rest of society on equal footing
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I dunno about Scotland, but in America homosexuals have the same rights as anyone else.

This debate is not about if homosexuality is wrong or right. We each have our views. But no one on the other side can answer the question on where we draw the line on what makes a marriage. It is a fair question. The State has right to define marriage to settle legal issues. No one has answered me why you think it is ok for only gays to decide what makes marriage, and dismiss everyone else.

My argument is THIS- once gay activists redefine marriage, the next frnge group is gonna surface and seek a law making polygamy legal, and you’d have no choice but to be accomadating as to be consistent. No one on the other side has answered me how they would respond to that issue.

What makes a marriage should be decided by the people, NOT the courts, it is the job of the court to make sure the law is enforced fairly, not write law as we go. Laws are written by reps following the will of the people, if they don’t, we vote them OUT.

Your group wants to redefine marriage as any combination of 2,
3, or 5 people. The majority in this country will tell you it is a man and a woman.

When put to a vote this measure fails everytime. It was defeated in California in a fair election, but activists refuse to accept that outcome and sought relief elsewhere.

I keep telling y’all NO one here wants to jail people who practice homosexuality. No state has passed a law making homosexuality illegal, they’re just not gonna issue a marriage license.
 
anamchrist said:
One of the big excuses that the anti-gay folks always seem to trot out is that homosexuality is “un-natural”. If anyone has spent much time around animals you would see how untrue that statement is. I have a beautiful little Siamese cat. She was bought for breeding. The funny thing is, she turned out to have a great dislike of male cats and when she came into heat she kept courting the other female cat. It is also well documented in the animal kingdom. Here are a couple of interesting links about the subject:
news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/20080516/sc_livescience/samesexcouplescommoninthewild
livescience.com/bestimg/index.php?url=&cat=gayanimals
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Another solid affirmation of the “dignity” of homosexual beahvior

“Animals do it, why cant we?”
 
thistle said:
Your profile says you are Catholic. You should know then that what you have just said is against the teachings of the Church.
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It appears to many the Catholic Church is just another insitution that should be twisted to accept whatever the perversion de jour is . It used to be that those who stood against sin were revered. Now they are “bigots”
 
BamaRider said:
The State has right to define marriage to settle legal issues.
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Okay, if we are talking about non-religious marriage.
No one has answered me why you think it is ok for only gays to decide what makes marriage, and dismiss everyone else.
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And your solution is what - only heterosexuals should decide what makes marriage?
My argument is THIS- once gay activists redefine marriage, the next frnge group is gonna surface and seek a law making polygamy legal, and you’d have no choice but to be accomadating as to be consistent.
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It would seem that the body politic must decide on its definition of marriage. A large portion of it sees no problem with homosexual marriage. Can the same be said for polygamy? (which, btw, we seem to have been tolerating for more than 100 years in some parts of the US).
I keep telling y’all NO one here wants to jail people who practice homosexuality.
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Not anymore, at any rate.
No state has passed a law making homosexuality illegal
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Not since the Supreme Court struck down the Texas law in 2003.
they’re just not gonna issue a marriage license.
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Massachusetts has been doing so for a few years, and it appears California may join the ranks.
 
My argument is THIS- once gay activists redefine marriage, the next frnge group is gonna surface and seek a law making polygamy legal, and you’d have no choice but to be accomadating as to be consistent. No one on the other side has answered me how they would respond to that issue.
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Actually, I believe at least one person on the “other side” has answered that query. :whistle:
 
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