Pro-Infanticide Catholics Need the Church’s Strongest Medicinal Penalties - NCR

[Victoria33]

Pro-Infanticide Catholics Need the Church’s Strongest Medicinal Penalties| National Catholic Register

On Jan. 22, a ghoulish celebration was held in different parts of New York state. Cheers and applause accompanied New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo’s signing of the so-called Reproductive Health Act that had just been approved by the state Legislature.

“With the signing of this bill,” Cuomo jubilantly declared, “we are sending a clear message that whatever happens in Washington, women in New York will always have the fundamental right to control their own body.”

The governor deliberately timed his signature on the bill to the 46th anniversary of the infamous Supreme Court Roe v. Wade decision that legalized abortion and then ordered that One World Trade Center and other structures be lit up in pink to “celebrate this achievement and shine a bright light forward for the rest of the nation to follow.”

National Catholic Register

 

[Babaganoush]

I would say that the church needs to use excommunication in order to define itself. As it stands, it is acceptable to claim you are catholic but believe whatever you want. Catholicism no longer has any definition. Until the last half of a century the church has no problem defining itself, but it has become a vehicle for relativism and progressivism.

It may be unpopular to say it, but Vatican II and the embracing of modern theology is the cause of it. You may like theologians like de lubac, congar, and von balthasar but embracing their theology has led to a rejection of definitions and limits. It is at the point where everything can be interpreted as catholic. Definitions are necessary. Without them the church will become irrelevant.

 

[TheLittleLady]

The New York Reproductive Health Act simply made larger the already existing loophole in the law.

If folks wish to call abortion infanticide, that was already protected in the loopholes.

 

[FirstFiveEighth]

Sure, but it is certainly not a neutral law that didn’t really change anything. Technically every state allows abortion up to birth because the Court’s position in Roe says it has to be. The size of that hole is very important. The large gaping hole made with this NY legislation is called infanticide because it broadens the hole to basically any death of an unborn infant. Its “protections” beyond 24 weeks are for show only. Case in point, a pregnant woman was murdered by her boyfriend in NY lay week. He was not charged with murder of the child because New York decriminalized abortion 10days earlier, whether it was desired by the woman or not. So if he had simply killed the child by beating her belly but not the woman, he would be charged with nothing more than battery.

 

[Babaganoush]

It’s infanticide whether you want to call it that or not. Killing a baby the day before its due date is no different than killing it the day after, or a year after for that matter. There is no medical reason for the mother or for the child to abort it.

 

[Victoria33]

I also would like to think the editors at the National Catholic Register would know of what they are speaking.

This is a point that needs clearing, this is kind of what the Democrats (no disrespect to anyone) say, “it’s not infanticide because of this…”, I’m not an expert, I am saying, this is a point of contention. Anyway, that in Virginia, even to my understanding, was rather clear and that was infanticide of what the governor was speaking about.

 

[pnewton]

Technically every state allows abortion up to birth because the Court’s position in Roe says it has to be.

Roe allowed for limitation in the third trimester, which is why not every state is allows them.

 

[goout]

A common misconception is that the Church inflicts excommunication on someone as a naked and arbitrary punishment.
Not so. Excommunication recognizes a reality; that the person has chosen to act and live outside communion with the Church. It’a an act of justice and mercy for the Church to recognize this.
While it’s true that many have been out of communion, including myself, not all are publicly visible and consequential for public policy making. The Church needs to address the person in their state of life, with regard for scandal and crimes against humanity promoted by wayward laws. (scandal is not shocking the public, it’s leading people away from the faith…)

 

[goout]

Whether the Church begins to take substantial positions or not, accommodating a culture that proposes these barbaric laws is a luxury that will disappear in the not too distant future. Yes we need donors for Catholic Charities and beautiful successful schools and cooperation with governments.
But It is a luxury to have an accommodating relationship with the culture. And luxuries always fade away, it’s the nature of Christianity to be rejected and persecuted by the status quo. I think it’s naive to believe that at-birth abortion is the end of all of this. It wont’ stop there.