Pro-Life Activist Lila Rose Attacked by Planned Parenthood Escort

[juliee]

Pro-Life Activist Lila Rose Attacked by Planned Parenthood Escort

San Jose, CA – Lila Rose has made a name for herself exposing the abuses at Planned Parenthood centers, such as staffers misleading women about abortion or hiding cases of sexual abuse. Rose became a victim herself Thursday morning as a Planned Parenthood staff member attacked her.

LifeNews.com/state4664.html

 

[ljubim]

She is very courageous and does great things.

But the problem I have with her is that the undercover stuff she does is lying, and lying is not the way to take down PP. You don’t have to join them to beat them.

And since she’s now a Catholic (yay!) Church teaching clearly says that lying even for a good reason is unacceptable.

 

[elvisman]

She is very courageous and does great things.

But the problem I have with her is that the undercover stuff she does is lying, and lying is not the way to take down PP. You don’t have to join them to beat them.

And since she’s now a Catholic (yay!) Church teaching clearly says that lying even for a good reason is unacceptable.

Not exactly.

During WWI - thousands of Jew were saved from the Nazis by the Church, which was not always forthcoming about where they were hiding, etc.

If they came to kill your children - I’m sure you’d lie to save their lives.
Lila Rose - like many abortion activists is a hero and should be commended.

 

[buffalo]

“What about the baby’s choice?” Rose responds.
The Planned Parenthood escort replied, “It’s not a baby!” and then turned around and walked away.

Amazing - it is not a baby. As the baby proceeds through the birth canal it magically becomes a baby but only when the whole baby is out. What ignorance. How frustrating.

 

[manualman]

Let’s be clear here. The attack was a PO’d deathscort knocking papers out of her hand. Technically, that is assault I suppose. But as someone who has been brutally beaten in the past (not abortion related), I’m not sure it is good journalism to call it an “attack.” I’d prefer more facts and less hyperbole from my side of this struggle.

 

[gamewell45]

Let’s be clear here. The attack was a PO’d deathscort knocking papers out of her hand. Technically, that is assault I suppose. But as someone who has been brutally beaten in the past (not abortion related), I’m not sure it is good journalism to call it an “attack.” I’d prefer more facts and less hyperbole from my side of this struggle.

I’d tend to agree with you; its not really an attack.

Its too bad that both sides in this resort to violence to make their points. Violence only breeds violence in my book.

Better to talk things out or work to change the laws if your unhappy with the current ones regarding abortion.

 

[Mark77]

Let’s be clear here. The attack was a PO’d deathscort knocking papers out of her hand. Technically, that is assault I suppose. But as someone who has been brutally beaten in the past (not abortion related), I’m not sure it is good journalism to call it an “attack.” I’d prefer more facts and less hyperbole from my side of this struggle.

Let’s don’t parse words here. Sure she wasn’t harmed & attack may be a bit overstated, but she says;** “The attack against me cannot even begin to compare with the lethal attacks that take place twice a week at that same clinic against completely defenseless unborn children.”

That is the real issue here, the “legal” murder of innocent babies through abortion, in our towns & neighborhoods right under our noses! Not to mention freedom of speech.
**
**If a pro life demonstrator touched, hit or attacked a PP staffer, they would surely call it an “attack”, probably something like ‘an unprovoked, vicious assault’, etc. It would be a top news story in the ‘lame stream’ media & the pro-life person would be hauled off to jail.
**

God Bless all those valiant pro-life people who pray for & protest to bring an end to this American Holocaust!!!

Sancta Maria, Mater Dei, Ora Pro Nobis Peccatoribus!

mark

 

[DihydrogenOxide]

Not exactly.

During WWI - thousands of Jew were saved from the Nazis by the Church, which was not always forthcoming about where they were hiding, etc.

If they came to kill your children - I’m sure you’d lie to save their lives.
Lila Rose - like many abortion activists is a hero and should be commended.

Not saying where someone is hiding isn’t the same as lying.

 

[elvisman]

Not saying where someone is hiding isn’t the same as lying.

Then you need to study up on your faith because the sin of omission is just as wrong as the sin of commission.

Every Sunday, we recite the Confetior:
***I confess to almighty God, ***
***and to you, my brothers and sisters, ***
***that I have sinned through my own fault, ***
***in my thoughts and in my words, ***
in what I have done, and in what I have failed to do;

---

Lying isn’t just in what you say - but also in what you don’t say.

 

[ljubim]

Not exactly.

During WWI - thousands of Jew were saved from the Nazis by the Church, which was not always forthcoming about where they were hiding, etc.

If they came to kill your children - I’m sure you’d lie to save their lives.
Lila Rose - like many abortion activists is a hero and should be commended.

1753 A good intention (for example, that of helping one’s neighbor) does not make behavior that is intrinsically disordered, such as lying and calumny, good or just. The end does not justify the means. Thus the condemnation of an innocent person cannot be justified as a legitimate means of saving the nation. On the other hand, an added bad intention (such as vainglory) makes an act evil that, in and of itself, can be good (such as almsgiving).


I wonder what the Church has to say about spying… that would probably answer our questions.

I still stand by the “you don’t have to join them to beat them.” The devil is hard at work with PP, and so to lie to bring him down is playing with fire.

And I think lying to get rid of Nazis at the door would fall under the same category as self-defense(like shooting an attacker, you do something wrong that is justified)… *seeking out *a situation that involves lies is the question here.

 

[ljubim]

Ok, I found this:forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=64205&highlight=undercover
and thisforums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=178934&highlight=undercover

They say that:
**Is it okay to lie in order to prevent an abortion? **
If it were to prevent a woman from having an abortion, could you lie to her and tell her the abortion facility is closed? Or could you lie to workers in the facility to obtain information on them?

The Answer:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Catherine20
If it were to prevent a woman from having an abortion, could you lie to her and tell her the abortion facility is closed?

While it is possible to mentally reserve information on certain occasions with just cause proportionate to the reservation, flat-out lying cannot be condoned. If it were done because of external pressure (e.g., the attempt to defend others), culpability for lying may be diminished.

In this case, what possible good would it accomplish to tell a woman that the facility is closed? She can easily confirm for herself the truth of the matter and then any presentation you made to her to plead for her child’s life would be suspect because of the unnecessary lie. Indeed your lie could end up tempting her to conclude that the pro-life position is itself not credible and influencing her to listen to those who encourage her to abort.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Catherine20
Or could you lie to workers in the facility to obtain information on them?

What exactly are you thinking of? Do you mean a journalist who is posing as a pregnant woman in order to gain information about the facility for an expose? “Undercover work,” so to speak, can be morally permissible in certain circumstances. But an individual trying to gain personal information on someone else has to have just cause and the personal authority (e.g., law enforcement) to do so and should refrain from lying, if at all possible.

And the second one says that lying as undercover police work IS morally acceptable.
The important part is that some authority is needed.

God bless and Merry Christmas!

 

[vmalocha]

Why is Planned Parenthood allowed to have people to escort mothers to the abortion clinic but nobody else can even talk to the mother about keeping the child? That is pretty bad. When are they putting in the revolving door?

 

[thinker]

… I’d prefer more facts and less hyperbole from my side of this struggle.

Amen. You can’t join them to beath them. Our standards of accuracy and truth are higher than Planned Parenthood’s (as the kids say “duhhh”). To say we’re justified in any act to fight the evil act of abortion is to become - well honestly - evil.

 

[Supercatholic]

She is very courageous and does great things.

But the problem I have with her is that the undercover stuff she does is lying, and lying is not the way to take down PP. You don’t have to join them to beat them.

And since she’s now a Catholic (yay!) Church teaching clearly says that lying even for a good reason is unacceptable.

Unacceptable? Do you expect her to walk into planned parenthood and announce “Hey, I’m Lila Rose and I’m here to expose you.”? Withholding a truth is not telling a lie. If planned parenthood were to say “Are you Lila Rose?” And she responded “No I’m not.” Then she would be telling a lie. Police always use methods of deception to capture drug dealers, prostitutes, and other less than desirable criminal elements. But the police can’t get involved with abortion because it’s classified as a “medical procedure” and not what it really is, a crime of murder, in the most reprehensible degree. Until the law wakes up and outlaws abortion, thank God we have Lila Rose. She appeared on EWTN’s Life On The Rock and the priest (I can’t remember his name) that co-hosts the show made no condemnation of her methods. In fact he applauded, encouraged, and commended her entire campaign. She went into the mouth of Satan twisted and strangled his tongue and forced the truth out of him. She was at the Walk for Life, West Coast and gave a powerful and moving speech. A speech broadcast for the whole world to hear. A speech that told the whole world what she does. You may find fault with her because of your misguided interpretation of Catholic teaching, but to me and countless others she is an angel sent to do God’s work. Go ahead, write a letter to the Vatican complaining about this selfless saintly beautiful girl. And see how they respond.