Pro-Life and World Hunger

[vern_humphrey]

Oh there are so many flaws in your statements, but the one that strikes me as most humorous is the tax cuts of the rich. Don’t get me wrong, my husband is a CPA and we make our living on the complexities of the tax code, but the reality is that the richest one percent of this country actually paid 97% of the tax bill. What I have found over and over again is that the people who complain the loudest about taxes, don’t actually pay any…
But to get back to the topic at hand, you may be shocked to know that a move towards free markets and away from socialism would actually go miles in solving world hunger. Governments should not be running the social programs, we the people should be reaching out to solve the world’s problems. Oh and by the way I am pro-life and work with the homeless (who are generally hungry too)…where the heck do you get your stats…oh right you dont have any this is just unsupported opinion.

You nailed it – if a person wants to feel holier-than-thou, they don’t actually have to do anything. They don’t have to help anyone. All they have to do is propose someone else do it, and then feel superior. In fact, you often see such persons falsely claiming that other people don’t give the help that they, themselves don’t give – I guess that makes them feel even more superior.

 

[ribozyme]

You nailed it – if a person wants to feel holier-than-thou, they don’t actually have to do anything. They don’t have to help anyone. All they have to do is propose someone else do it, and then feel superior. In fact, you often see such persons falsely claiming that other people don’t give the help that they, themselves don’t give – I guess that makes them feel even more superior.

Look, i could not do anything significant. I do not have the resources of George Soros. I just feel so inadequate.

 

[st_lucy]

Look, i could not do anything significant. I do not have the resources of George Soros. I just feel so inadequate.

You may not have the resources, but you do have time and you do have talent. We don’t all have to be rich to help the poor but we do need to do something. Time and talent is one way we can all pitch in.

 

[dmelosi]

Look, i could not do anything significant. I do not have the resources of George Soros. I just feel so inadequate.

Second time you have said that. More than likely not serious in your comments, but if you are…

Have to start somewhere, I have not seen many ads for billionaire jobs.

 

[Lou_F]

I have a question for those who profess to be pro-life:

Pro-life poeple speak about the evil of abortion; however, you rarely hear them even mention the issue of world hunger. How can this be?

Check out the hunger statistics on this website:

bread.org/learn/hunger-basics/

How can you be pro-life and ignore the needs of millions of children in the world who die of hunger and nutrition-related causes? Doesn’t “pro-life” include children who are already born?

Quite simply, faith in God surpasses faith in human understanding. To love our neighbor as ourselves does not mean to deny them birth (or assist them in death), but to aid them in life.

The reason the abortion issue gets more attention in the pro-life movement is because many mistakenly accept abortion as being just. World hunger, on the otherhand, already has the majority of the world against it. Governments make laws to kill unborn human life. Governments are not making laws allowing people to starve.

 

[ALFREDENEUMAN]

IF YOU THINK THE CHURCH HAS MYSTERIES, TRY THIS. EVERY DAY ACORDING TO THE who 25,000 children(those under 12) die in this world. most of them die of hunger, dirth water or ilnesses which we have the cure for. that kllast stetment says we can prevent this if we choose. at no time in history has the rest of the world, had the resiources to prevent this from happening. now we are collectively so rich that we can, to a large degree stop it. but we dont. we make a pin prick in that huge bubble, every once in a while and than go crazy telling us how great we are. we cna on our own through our churches do much. the papacy could do fantastically. we could all pressure our government s to doore. insted we…/ well you fill in the blank. i fauil to see how any organization with the resources of the church or any of its similies cound call itself christian while they allow any part of this to continue withlout doing their upmost to stop it.

 

[Ridgerunner]

IF YOU THINK THE CHURCH HAS MYSTERIES, TRY THIS. EVERY DAY ACORDING TO THE who 25,000 children(those under 12) die in this world. most of them die of hunger, dirth water or ilnesses which we have the cure for. that kllast stetment says we can prevent this if we choose. at no time in history has the rest of the world, had the resiources to prevent this from happening. now we are collectively so rich that we can, to a large degree stop it. but we dont. we make a pin prick in that huge bubble, every once in a while and than go crazy telling us how great we are. we cna on our own through our churches do much. the papacy could do fantastically. we could all pressure our government s to doore. insted we…/ well you fill in the blank. i fauil to see how any organization with the resources of the church or any of its similies cound call itself christian while they allow any part of this to continue withlout doing their upmost to stop it.

How many countries do you want the U.S. to invade in the next year? Zimbabwe, where Bobby Mugabe has reduced a net food exporting country to a starving place? Cuba, where women and children sell themselves all over the street to tourists in order to feed themselves and their children? Venezuela, where Chavez is busy turning a potentially rich country into a poor one and supporting narcoterrorists in a neighboring country? Sudan, where the murders and starvation of Darfur and the South are taking place? Burma, where opponents of dictatorship and corruption that causes want are shot on the streets? Somalia, where armed thugs prevented food relief to the hungry? The world’s charity was unavailing because the warlords and would-be dictators shot the donors’ representatives, then shot those who would protect those representatives.

Choose, because that’s what it will take. You see, in these corrupt dictatorships, of which the world is so full, it takes about 10% of the population on the payroll to keep the other 90% under control so they can be looted with impunity. In a free society, law enforcement absorbs very little of the work of the population and its resources, because most people consent willingly to the governance that allows them to go where they want, do what they can and keep most of what they earn.

Decide which nation to invade next, then let us all know. Until you find a way to make it actually effective, don’t tell us the world is unwilling to help.

 

[maggiecme]

It’s not an either/or but a both/and situation. To stereotype pro-lifers because they don’t want children to die prior to being given a simple chance in this world because they don’t talk of those children who are hungry in the same breath is just irresponsible.

There is no lack of food in this world but transportation, politics, money and time are the struggles we have in helping the poor. I don’t believe that asking questions which infer a lack of compassion on anyone’s part is exhorting better behavior.

Rather than attacking how about suggesting…

 

[allhers]

I have a question for those who profess to be pro-life:

Pro-life poeple speak about the evil of abortion; however, you rarely hear them even mention the issue of world hunger. How can this be?

Check out the hunger statistics on this website:

bread.org/learn/hunger-basics/

How can you be pro-life and ignore the needs of millions of children in the world who die of hunger and nutrition-related causes? Doesn’t “pro-life” include children who are already born?

How can you profess to care about anyone when you won’t even speak up for the most defenseless among us and give them a voice?

 

[ALFREDENEUMAN]

ive just gone through and read all the emails from beginning to end. this is classic. go through and count the number of time tand also how long a specific arguement takes to go from the originnal subjst to some other topic. thal about hunger and what the church or anybody else is doing abou it evidently automatically talk leads tro talk about aborti=on and howniuce it is that they are feeding a poord kid somewhere. truly great, but my arguement alest is that probably for the first time in history we have the rsources to accomplish something which we have always been able to duck while using the reason that the resources are not there. we have to ability to make the food, xclean the water provide basic medicl care etc. all institutions must get together to do it. typicakl respeonse. youe (ME0 are a dreamer for thinking that this can happen. maybe so but if it is true and if it is true that what i said above is true then this just reinfoprces my point. a point which i really would prefer that each of you arrive at yyourself after looking at all the information. this has nothing to do with aborth=ion ar rwelly any other issue including the fact that we would have a difficult time getting whatever we want to get to thses people because of political reasons… in all of the countries of westwern cicilization, in all of the religios institions none of the have ever let a state stop them. latest example iraq. uly decided that the people of iraq were starving and we were going to go in to fed them do you think we would not be powerful enough to have our wway. difficult certainly, but a little easier then going in as an invading force determined to take over their country. we would have had a lower causalty and at least as important so would the iraquis.

 

[ALFREDENEUMAN]

How many countries do you want the U.S. to invade in the next year? Zimbabwe, where Bobby Mugabe has reduced a net food exporting country to a starving place? Cuba, where women and children sell themselves all over the street to tourists in order to feed themselves and their children? Venezuela, where Chavez is busy turning a potentially rich country into a poor one and supporting narcoterrorists in a neighboring country? Sudan, where the murders and starvation of Darfur and the South are taking place? Burma, where opponents of dictatorship and corruption that causes want are shot on the streets? Somalia, where armed thugs prevented food relief to the hungry? The world’s charity was unavailing because the warlords and would-be dictators shot the donors’ representatives, then shot those who would protect those representatives.

Choose, because that’s what it will take. You see, in these corrupt dictatorships, of which the world is so full, it takes about 10% of the population on the payroll to keep the other 90% under control so they can be looted with impunity. In a free society, law enforcement absorbs very little of the work of the population and its resources, because most people consent willingly to the governance that allows them to go where they want, do what they can and keep most of what they earn.

Decide which nation to invade next, then let us all know. Until you find a way to make it actually effective, don’t tell us the world is unwilling to help.

 

[ALFREDENEUMAN]

it took yiou approximately 12 minutes (depending on you typing speend) to give up. how klong would you ponder the possiblility ofminvading iran militarily . or how long did you do so pondering to invasion if iraq. what im suggesting`is that we have the capacity to,do what i suggest we should do and that if we spent anywghhere near thie time tryting to understand and figure out how to do this as we do firuring our how to blow inncoent wmwn women and childere ti smithereens, and the how much time we spend trying to rationalize the guile for that activity away. maybe we could figure out a way to do it. i certainly never impled that it would be easy, but the design of a smart bomb is very complicated. wedid succeed in that one. and finalyy perhaps what i ansuggesting is impossible. so what. it is imperative for tour souls sakes and i would hopo for our mental wellb being that we do everything that we can to do it.

 

[ALFREDENEUMAN]

madaME ALBRIGHT, JUST BEFORE SHE WAS APPOINTED SECTRETRRY OF STES, WAS ASKED ON A 60 MINUTES BROADCAST,WHETER SHE WAS AWARE THAT APPROXIMATELY BETWEEN 60,000 AND 100,00M CHILDREN AD DIED IN IRAQ AS A DIRESCT REULT OF OUR ECONOMIC BLOCAKE. SHE THOUGHT FOR AWHILE AND RELIED(not a direx+ct close but as close asnm i can get from memory, FOR AN EXACT QUOT REAS A CITIZENS HISTORY OF THEN UNITED STATES , ZANN OR HER AUTOBIOGRAPHY) REPLIED, YES SHE WAS AWARE AND IT WAS TRULY A DISTRESSING STATISTRIC AND FACT HOWEVER ONE THAT SHE FELT WAS NECESSARY TO ACCOMPLISH OUR ENDS. take this for what its worth. a week ago vice president cheney was asked on a talk show. mR vice presidenent doesnt if bother you at all that you are such a devout proponent of continuing the was in iraq whenevery pooll we have taken shows that vast majority oif americans wnat to get out of iraq as soon as possible. hir respons “so>”

 

[Ridgerunner]

madaME ALBRIGHT, JUST BEFORE SHE WAS APPOINTED SECTRETRRY OF STES, WAS ASKED ON A 60 MINUTES BROADCAST,WHETER SHE WAS AWARE THAT APPROXIMATELY BETWEEN 60,000 AND 100,00M CHILDREN AD DIED IN IRAQ AS A DIRESCT REULT OF OUR ECONOMIC BLOCAKE. SHE THOUGHT FOR AWHILE AND RELIED(not a direx+ct close but as close asnm i can get from memory, FOR AN EXACT QUOT REAS A CITIZENS HISTORY OF THEN UNITED STATES , ZANN OR HER AUTOBIOGRAPHY) REPLIED, YES SHE WAS AWARE AND IT WAS TRULY A DISTRESSING STATISTRIC AND FACT HOWEVER ONE THAT SHE FELT WAS NECESSARY TO ACCOMPLISH OUR ENDS. take this for what its worth. a week ago vice president cheney was asked on a talk show. mR vice presidenent doesnt if bother you at all that you are such a devout proponent of continuing the was in iraq whenevery pooll we have taken shows that vast majority oif americans wnat to get out of iraq as soon as possible. hir respons “so>”

Very difficult to read your posts. But answer direclty. Let’s start with Somalia. What is your plan to feed starving people in Somalia?

 

[ALFREDENEUMAN]

responst to about three or four of you. if you imagine thaqt you dont pay for \costs associate dwith a social progam whether you choose to tax yourself and others, you are dreaming, think abou it. the tax dollar is less as it passes thriough the hands of countless bureaucrats. yes i suppose those people who work for faith based activities are able with the help of god to work for nothing. they dont eat, have children to support, get ill. how much of what they take is therer. perhaps not as much as those in government , i diont have the figurwes and if you had them it would have been nice if you had cited them. perhaps it is also true anbout amount given to faith based increases as taxes go down. i dont have figures, it is counterintuitive, and if you are basing it on anyhtiing th e bush administration has said about faith based instititions they have already been caugh distorting the figures. estate tax, where do you get your figures. even if you are correct can you at least visualize circumstances wherby it would still be a good thing for our society to do. more accurat to say that the amount of money collected every year by the estate tax evens out when compared to the cost of collectin it. however if the estate tax were left the way it was originally intended instead of being changed by every rich family who can convince a congressman that giving that family some form of special subsidy would make the system work more fairly we woukld collect far and above wht we collect now. anyone figured out how many of the 67000 pagfges in the Irs code, the so many people are complainig about are devoted to dealing with special circumstances of the very wealth in the estate tax. the world wants to knowthis is for VAN LAMPLEY please explain how my asking for an increase in the tax we pay for social programs and an increase in those taxes is the equivilant of your doing something, but the equivilent o fmmy doing nothing even though i pay the same tax. perhaps it true that only if you complain about the propsed increase in taxes does your increased paynment becomes significant or even noticible. after all the take out of weach of our wallets is the same. the pain might be the same. the degree o mitigation knowing that the money is going to help certain individuals might be different. you ofter see such people-----where? what kind of prople do you associate with to give you this idea.
to MMYERS your staement “Exceopt for god of course” part iof what i was inferring without trying to offen too many people in my initial email, is that withn or without god nothing seems to happen. except gosd of copurse. Really ? and he has done such a good job so far.

 

[ALFREDENEUMAN]

Very difficult to read your posts. But answer direclty. Let’s start with Somalia. What is your plan to feed starving people in Somalia?

 

[ALFREDENEUMAN]

my plan for feedingf somalia. please read the email wher i talke about collective intellectual and moral eneergy being finite and dircted towards specific activities. but yiou want to know the answer so i guess i will just have tro tell you. there is only one solution and it is so sin=mple that i really fail to understand wha you didnt come up with it. how do iattempt to solve the proble of feeding the starving people in somalia. n i figure out using the very best inteligence available to me, intelligne which heretofore has been directee towads figuring out how to kill the miost people for the band and the buck, and i tell them figure it out. we will dio what we have to th solve this problem, even if we are required to take the same steps we took in ioraaq for much less worhty goals. finally have as a main goal FEED THE PEOPLE. think of it as a project with all the gravitas that we took upon ourselves when we landed at normandy or went to the mood. BUT FIND A SOLUTION now perhaps you may not be able to do this without sacrificing something or somebody. if so just think of qwhat we sacrificed in Granada, panama, and iraq 2, this will make it a little more comforting for you finally forget about what god is going to do. hes had at a miniumun 6000 years and the problen has just gottne worse. one woulf wlmost believe that he enjoys it.

 

[mapleoak]

Look, i could not do anything significant. I do not have the resources of George Soros. I just feel so inadequate.

Quite simply, if you can take care of yourself, you can take care of others. Others before self. Time, treasure, talent. Irregardless of what George Soros does.

 

[mapleoak]

IF YOU THINK THE CHURCH HAS MYSTERIES, TRY THIS. EVERY DAY ACORDING TO THE who 25,000 children(those under 12) die in this world.

What is the ‘who’ that reports this? In any case, that doesn’t justify additionally killing thousands more children through abortion.

most of them die of hunger, dirth water or ilnesses which we have the cure for.

This doesn’t justify murder.

that kllast stetment says we can prevent this if we choose. at no time in history has the rest of the world, had the resiources to prevent this from happening.

Trying to decipher this one. Give me time.

now we are collectively so rich that we can, to a large degree stop it. but we dont. we make a pin prick in that huge bubble, every once in a while and than go crazy telling us how great we are.

Interesting how countries with the most aquired wealth tend to be the ones with the highest abortion rates, and the ones with the most militant pro-abortion voices.

we cna on our own through our churches do much. the papacy could do fantastically. we could all pressure our government s to doore.

Everybody else, everybody else, everybody else. Not me though.

insted we…/ well you fill in the blank. i fauil to see how any organization with the resources of the church or any of its similies cound call itself christian while they allow any part of this to continue withlout doing their upmost to stop it.

What is x Church not doing or what is so and so not doing, and then having the gall to call themselves Christian. Look what I am doing though. I do this and this and therefore I am a Christian.
Thankfully however you need to educate yourself on organizations such as the Church before you can call it names and give inaccurate portrayals of what it is not doing. And can you point out how any of this justifies murdering unborn people or illustrate the correlation between being pro-life and hating the needy?

I would respond to your other posts, but I am having too hard a time trying to decipher the hieroglyphics and make sense out of them. I apologize if I misinterpreted your post, but that is how it came accross. Perhaps when my headache goes away.

 

[maggiecme]

What is the ‘who’ that reports this? In any case, that doesn’t justify additionally killing thousands more children through abortion.

WHO is the World Health Organization. They have been accused more than once of giving sterilization treatments to women in third world countries under the guise of tetanus shots. They are strong believers in abortion & birth control rather than education and abstinence.

Not a reputable source for statistics since they are very focused on population control.